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  1. Daniel M. Daniel M. says:

    Richard, aren’t you jumping the gun on this considering we don’t play Tennessee for several more years?

  2. joshua joshua says:

    let’s see what happens. We’ve lost many games this year that we shouldn’t have lost and we’ve won some games we shouldn’t have won. Let’s just hope for the latter tonight!

  3. poch punt poch punt says:

    Any links to the game. The only way I can listen here in Joplin is get in my truck and go to a hill at MSSU. Campus police give me a suspicous look when I tell them I am listening to a ball game. May become the only man in history to be arrested for listening to a ball game.

  4. this will be ugly… but here’s the hope… after kentucky killed us we won 5 in a row. that’s it, we win 5 in row after tonight, against ole miss sat and 3 in sec tourney to get auto bid to tourney and a 1st round win.

  5. Rodney Rodney says:

    Lol poch punt go to ESPN 360 . com… Hope the UofA police show u some respect! Ark Wins 68 to Tenns 65…! WOOOOOOOPIGSOOOOEEEEEEE!!!!!

  6. PeytonHillisFTW PeytonHillisFTW says:

    yep, this will be ugly.

    Tenn wins 85-66.

    horrible matchup in size for the starting five:

    Arkansas — F Michael Washington (6-9, Sr., 12.3 ppg), PF Marshawn Powell (6-7, Fr., 15.6), G Marcus Britt (6-3, Jr., 3.9), SG Rotnei Clarke (6-0, So., 15.8), PG Courtney Fortson (5-11, So., 18.5)
    Tennessee — C Brian Williams (6-10, Jr., 4.8 ppg), F Wayne Chism (6-9, Sr., 12.7), F J.P. Prince (6-7, Sr., 8.7), G Scotty Hopson (6-7, So., 13.0), G Bobby Maze (6-3, Sr., 9.4)

  7. dwp007 dwp007 says:

    Though I have to disagree, Wally Hall had an interesting column today on Courtney Fortson.

    A “guard” seemingly determined to lead the team in [shot] attempts is not a true point guard or floor general. Fortson’s “way” of doing things may have worked at the high school level, but has quickly been diagnosed in the SEC.

    In my opinion, “relishing” the role of having all eyes on him while jacking up ill advised 3 after 3 or not dishing the ball to open teammates has another smell to it – like an overdone hotdog.

    Pass the mustard.

  8. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    poch punt, you can listen on the radio online @ http://freebasketballradio.com/tennesseevols.html

    It’s a tennessee feed but better than nothing. It’ll keep you out of jail, at least.

  9. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Click on the 3rd station down the list: WJZM 1400

  10. steve steve says:

    is this on tv?

  11. william p william p says:

    Fortson just shot one of those 3s you were talking about, from about 27 feet.

  12. william p william p says:

    and Clarke hits the front rim again, like he did about six times last game.

  13. william p william p says:

    out of 17 points for Tenn, 8 are dunks.

  14. The Pearls are the dictators of Knoxville. Cronyism ftw.

  15. his daughter sings, his son plays on the team.

  16. soph. hog soph. hog says:

    was tied at 24 but they just hit a three and tennessee is up 3. 27 – 24

  17. brian williams needs to lose some weight and stop grabbing people

  18. soph. hog soph. hog says:

    ark 31, tenn 30

  19. poch punt poch punt says:

    tenn. 39 ark 36 half

  20. poch punt poch punt says:

    It’s a tennessee feed but better than nothing. It’ll keep you out of jail, at least.

    By RazorRandy on Mar 3,
    Thanks got it . Not bad getting a little different perspective

  21. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Did Fortson get lazy on that layup that Pearl blocked earlier? It sounded like he just took his time on the breakaway from the comments from the tenn announcers.

  22. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Obviously that question is for anyone watching the video feed.

  23. hard to see any offensive plays being run in this 2nd half

  24. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    wow…Clarke is really struggling

  25. yes fortson slowed down on that play, watching on css.

  26. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Clarke hits one…maybe he’s going to get fired up

  27. wow Tennessee SUPER ANGRY at refs. Pearl Technical foul

  28. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    freakin’ circus shot goes for Tenn

  29. can see the Razorbacks unraveling before my eyes

  30. Washington about to foul out because only thing he can think of on defense is trying to draw a charge. Nothing new.

  31. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    True. He might think of contesting a shot every now and then. I mean he is 6’10″ with about a seven footer’s wing span. But oh well.

  32. Darsh Darsh says:

    Marshawn’s got to show up if we have a chance.

  33. The Fan The Fan says:

    Wow, Washington would not know defense if it ran into him. We look wild, no set ofensive plays.

    Tenn 59 Ark 48

  34. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Wow…I wonder how many TO’s Fortson has. The last two passes inside by him have been horrible.

  35. hey, they played good for a while, i realy thought this would be a blow in the 1st half.

  36. i meant blow out in the 1st half.

  37. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Fortson 4 Assists, 5 TO’s.

  38. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    wow…johnson misses a one footer.

  39. hog fan in florida hog fan in florida says:

    Arkansas has Division Two athletes….let’s face it…these particular players are inferior to Tennessee, Kentucky and other top tier players. PERIOD… why do we even bother?

  40. hogfan1509 hogfan1509 says:

    Guess there is not much poing in asking for the score based on the posts I’m reading. LOL

  41. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Vols up 11 on my feed. I may be delayed though

  42. ironically people say its not Pel’s fault because of all the discipline problems. Tennessee may have had any more discipline problems, but you dont see any excuses from Bruce Pearl.

    Arkansas just doesnt belong in the SEC East thats clear, we are right where we belong in the SEC West.

  43. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Powell settling for jumpers now

  44. hogfan1509 hogfan1509 says:

    I don’t know just what it is that makes the big time coaches better than the rest, but it just doesn’t look like Pel’s got it to me! He may eventually become a good SEC coach, but I just don’t ever see him being one of the greats! I don’t mean to be derogatory towards him, he’s is a good person, but whatever Nolan and Eddie had it just isn’t showing up in Pel!

  45. william p william p says:

    fortson had 5 turnovers last i looked

  46. just watching now to see how close i was in my score prediction…

  47. william p william p says:

    actually 6 assists and 7 turnovers
    that’s not going to win any games, don’t care how many points he has

  48. RReed RReed says:

    I’m tired of griping, and cussing, and pointing the finger.. I’m giving up and hopeing for a better next year…good bye 2009-10

  49. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    What’s interesting is that we could theoretically be the 4th seed from the West by the time it’s all done.

    Ole Miss will probably be one game up on us after tonight. So if they beat us next game they are the two seed.

    Auburn is beating Miss St. right now. If they win they will be ONE game behind us. If we lose to Ole Miss and Auburn beats Bama next game out I think they get us on the tiebreaker for the 3rd seed and we will finish up 4th in the West.

    Incredible that it’s even an option.

  50. RReed, i bet it will be the same thing all over again next year … as long as we have this coach and these players.

  51. RReed RReed says:

    CJP will be gone next year if he does not turn it around.

  52. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Careful Peyton…you will have the apologist’s out in force calling you names and against you before too long…LOL. Been there done that!!

  53. Boubalos Boubalos says:

    What makes bib time coaches better than the rest is players that can shoot. Welsh, Fortson, Powell and Clarke were all horrible. And some of you keep blaming the coach.

  54. OldRazorback OldRazorback says:

    I don’t know just what it is that makes the big time coaches better than the rest, but it just doesn’t look like Pel’s got it to me! He may eventually become a good SEC coach, but I just don’t ever see him being one of the greats! I don’t mean to be derogatory towards him, he’s is a good person, but whatever Nolan and Eddie had it just isn’t showing up in Pel!

    By hogfan1509 on Mar 3, 2010 @ 8:07pm
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    Amen!

  55. I do blame the coach. those are his players….they CAN shoot. but CJP hasn’t done his necessary duty in improving this team from last year to this year (weak SEC West schedule is the difference in +5 conference wins)

  56. OldRazorback OldRazorback says:

    RReed, i bet it will be the same thing all over again next year … as long as we have this coach and these players.

    By PeytonHillisFTW on Mar 3, 2010 @ 8:16pm
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    Amen, again!

  57. OldRazorback OldRazorback says:

    I love the Razorbacks, but I get discouraged when I watch an Arkansas team that doesn’t play defense; doesn’t rebound; doesn’t appear to have any offensive plays other than “Fortson go to the basket”; and has too many inept players with the green light to shoot threes(i.e., Welsh).
    Where’s the coaching on this team?

  58. this team lacks coaching not talent IMO. although we do lack somewhat on the size side of things.

  59. OldRazorback OldRazorback says:

    Sounds like the bitch from Qland.

  60. Blake Blake says:

    Did the Hogs have a rebound edge tonight? they did for most the night. What I am seeing is we don’t have a leader on the floor or a point guard. it is hard to be a great or even good team wo that. hopefully someone on this team emerges in those areas next year. they did compete tonight but the losses are just killin me.

  61. Blake Blake says:

    on the defensive side of things we are just too short. literally. and we dont go hard enough.

  62. hog fan in florida hog fan in florida says:

    I still say it is lack of D One talent…we seem to get the ones left over…I hate the Big East teams and the ones always on tv…in fact…as a short guy that didnt play basketball…I dont know why I am even interested …other than the fact that it is the Razorbacks.

  63. hog fan in florida hog fan in florida says:

    Here is hoping that Samuel Harvill gets an offer from Arkansas

  64. beasley beasley says:

    i never seen anyone that could coach a ball in the basket, they get the shots and brick off the front don’t see that being the coach. if you know someone that can, help him get the job.

  65. those shots were being jacked off at the wrong times by the wrong people often. the offense didnt seem to be set up much, with proper rotation, as well as points off of turnovers in transition seemed close to nonexistent.

    its tough to use this game as an example of bad coaching though, because Tennessee is supremely better than Arkansas, and you have to give credit to their defensive skills, but the LSU game is a better example, as well as the entire second half of the SEC season. this team regresses for some reason after it climaxes.2 years in a row now.

  66. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    i never seen anyone that could coach a ball in the basket, they get the shots and brick off the front don’t see that being the coach. if you know someone that can, help him get the job.
    ____________________________________________________________________

    O.k…but have you seen someone coach shot selection? Have you seen someone coach sets and O to get good shot selection?

    Have you seen someone coach tempo…coach half court sets…coach perimeter defense…coach high/low post…coach gapping…coach boxing out and rebounding….

    Just sayin’

  67. one could even make the argument we are worse this year, considering we have not been able to beat any teams that were the caliber of last year’s Oklahoma and Texas, and when we faced that level of talent this year could not really stay competitive.

    I wouldn’t say we are worse, but I will say we are stagnant. I don’t see a third year changing that, especially since we will be an even physically shorter team next year.

  68. poch punt poch punt says:

    Welsh- Washington did not improve from Jr. years and we are paying the price. I have contended all along we just don’t have enough talent esp. from an atheletic point of view. I listened to game on Vol network. Tuned in at half. At that time Tenn 12 fast break pts. Ark 2. It was about same second half. Don’t know much about new recruits. Hope???

  69. poch, not really for this years recruits. marvell waithe is supposed to be the next marshawn powell, but he is only 6’8″.

    everybody is pinning their hopes on 2011 recruiting, which means that if Pel misses on getting those in-state athletes, just about everyone will be pissed for keeping him around so long without results…….

    except for Quinn ..and Razor Randy

  70. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    I watched the Waithe kid play a game online. He seems pretty smooth for a big kid but like alot of our guys right now he seemed to want to shoot the 3 too much and settled for jumpshots just about all the time.

  71. GonzoHog GonzoHog says:

    The Hogs played better defense tonight than usual. They didn’t go to Knoxville and get blown out like some suggested they would.

  72. wyohog wyohog says:

    We can’t really compare last year’s team to this year’s team because of the high player turnover. Clarke, Fortson, and Washington are the main holdovers, but the rest of last year’s newcomers are not with us this year. The fact that we have to rely on 1st-year players AGAIN is hurting us some this year. No team can consistently get better if it essentially turns over its entire team every year. Now, who’s fault is that? I think the coach has a lot to do with that since he brought in the players that didn’t work out in the first place. That being said, I don’t see any offensive plays except for 4 guys standing still on the perimeter and 1 guy standing still in the post. The best teams have players that move without the ball, and I rarely see that from this team. I, too, think Pelphrey will be a good coach one day, but I’m losing confidence in him very quickly right now.

  73. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Yeah Gonz, there was actually some guy on here earlier claiming the only reason he was still watching the game was to see if his ‘blowout’ prediction came true. He apparently was just waiting to gloat about a much worse loss.

    I hope he bet a bundle on tennessee, as the line was 11 and he predicted a much worse loss for our Hogs. I believe 7 won the money.

  74. nomopel nomopel says:

    this team is done…first game of the SEC tourney then back to class. Wait til next year…why? I see more of the same. Coaching change now!

  75. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    At least it did for me. But what do I know.

  76. GonzoHog GonzoHog says:

    Yeah, I think I saw that Randy. I guess some folks will do anything for a little attention.

  77. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Seems like “The Black Shroud” predicted a 19 point loss.

  78. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Just watched regional play of Waithe’s team and then Ratliffe’s team. Waithe’s team won, Ratliffe’s got beat.

    Waithe looked pretty good. He’s a smoothe big guy. Very long arms and can get his shot off above most people. Good shot too. He’s going to be that other forward we are looking for opposite Powell.

    Ratliffe was pretty impressive with the loss. He was double teamed most of the game. He’s a strong guy although only about 6’8″. Kind of like Corliss. He’s strictly inside presence and had to use his strength to get around bigger guys. Had stone hand syndrome at times though in this game. Ran well but couldn’t catch a thing in transition. They mostly lobbed the ball inside to him so he could catch the freakin’ thing.

    But still…we need all the inside scoring we can get.

    I think a Waithe, Ratliffe, Powell frontcourt would be pretty good and a hard matchup. I can’t see too many 3′s on another team that could handle Waithe or Powell.

  79. Matt Matt says:

    No doubt, if we can add Ratcliffe to next year’s class we should contend with all the big boys in the SEC.
    I hear NOTHING about the Iowa transfer. Is he still with us. If so that kid has a terrific BB IQ (for what it is worth) and will be a huge upgrade from welsh.
    My take is that this team was only a Nick Davis or Derek Hood away from winning 20+ games and taking the West div. Those two guys came mind. Can you imagine having a guy that has a hand on every ball that comes off the rim.

  80. Hog on the Hill Hog on the Hill says:

    Matt, I saw the Iowa guy on the bench at the Vanderbilt game.

  81. Matt Matt says:

    I think he could be a huge part in next year’s turnaround. Peterson is his name.

  82. dwp007 dwp007 says:

    If you look at the coaches under whom PEL came up, as with Louisville and Florida, the Razorbacks are trying to run the many of the same schemes. Tubby Smith essentially does the same thing, utilizing an up tempo offense and defense with a lot of 3 balls.

    The problem, in my opinion, is that we currently do not have the right personnel or talent level to pull it off. Kids leaving or getting kicked off the team prematurely and long term suspensions have obviously taken a toll, as well.

    Nolan Richardson’s first couple of years were hard to watch and stomach, for many of the same reasons, less the early departures and suspensions – which he did not have to deal with. Fans questioned the “defense” and lack of rebounding on those early teams, until Nolan finally got the right kids to utilize his style of play.

    I still support Pelphrey and what he is trying to get accomplished by bringing in quality athletes [and human beings]. He has recruited well, though clearly has had some issues with the character of some of these kids.

    In any event, my support for Pelphrey is neither blindly never ending nor indefinite. Some staff changes may be in order, but regardless, the Razorbacks need to clearly show SUSTAINED improvement by next year, culminating in a season with somewhere near 20 wins. I believe they will.

  83. mudhog mudhog says:

    dwp you stole my thunder there a little bit and I totally agree that if we are going to keep pel then he needs to make some staff changes because it’s just not working out! I’m surprised he’s kept the same staff for as long as he has with little to no improvement with the team! The one assisstant I can’t understand and don’t know why he’s still here is Tom Ostrom! That guy has killed us in more ways than one! Last time I checked he is handling our recruiting duties and we all know that is our number one problem because we just don’t have the freaking players we need to be competitive in any major conference including the SEC! I hate the fact that Ostrom tries to play the roll of Assistant Head Coach, he looks more like a grad assisstant to me during timeouts! I don’t know the guy at all but I think Rob Evans will probably retire after this year thanks to pel helping him make that decision! As much success Rob Evans has had over the years he has to be asking himself what is he actually gaining from working with pel? Is this what he came back into coaching for? Pel needs to decide pretty quick if he’s going to take his assistants to the grave with him or is he willing to go out and find a staff who knows how to recruit, teach, coach, and motivate!

  84. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    If you look at the coaches under whom PEL came up, as with Louisville and Florida, the Razorbacks are trying to run the many of the same schemes. Tubby Smith essentially does the same thing, utilizing an up tempo offense and defense with a lot of 3 balls.
    =================================================
    I haven’t seen any sign of a system or anything remotely close to what Louisville or Florida does!
    ============================================
    Nolan Richardson’s first couple of years were hard to watch and stomach, for many of the same reasons, less the early departures and suspensions – which he did not have to deal with. Fans questioned the “defense” and lack of rebounding on those early teams, until Nolan finally got the right kids to utilize his style of play.
    ===============================================
    Nolan came from Tulsa where was a proven coach and he had won at least 19 games every year he was there(and had a confrence record of 63-18). By Nolans 3rd year at Arkansas he had the Hawgs rolling again. And why did he by year 3? Because he had a system and targeted the type of players that fit it(Pel can’t do this because he only talks about an up-tempo press and trap system). Then everyone wants to talk about all the players CJP had to replace after his first year. Instead of CJP getting the players that could fit his supposed “system” he signed 10 players in which only 4 remain with the team. CJP failed in recruiting, coaching, system, motivation and laying a foundation that should already be in place. He is a nice guy tho(thats all anybody can say about him besides wait on the 2011 in-state class please). CJP step down you are killing Razorback Basketball!!!!!

  85. Matt Matt says:

    Big Boi who would be the homerun hire that we could pull in?
    Pel should get another year of our full support. I still have confidence that he will get it done on a high level. I couldn’t say that two years ago.

  86. jack abbott jack abbott says:

    Hog fans. Get used to it. Unless Jeff Long makes a move after the Ole Miss game we are going to be saddled with this stuff for next year. And then another 2-5 years depending on what is done and who is brought in to correct matters. With the probable loss of scholarships due to low graduation rates. Well, either we pay some big bucks to take over this loser or face the next five years scrapping the bottom of the basketball world. Time to get behind UALR and ASU.

  87. OldRazorback OldRazorback says:

    CJP step down you are killing Razorback Basketball!!!!!

    By Big Boi on Mar 4, 2010 @ 10:34am
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    Our only hope for the future of the team we love.

  88. Matt Matt says:

    Who would you throw the HR $$ at?? Mike Anderson is the sure top guy, but after him??? You won’t find too many top shelf proven coaches that will do a back flip for this job. They should, but once Nolan was booted, so was much of our storied history.
    Support Pel for another year and decide if 20-22 wins is enough for you to stomach. JMO

  89. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    Matt,Theirs only a couple of homerun hires(Mike Krzewski, Roy Williams, John Calipari, Bill Self, Tom Izzo)we can’t get tho’s guys but we can get proven winners. Such as Mark Gottfried, Quin Synder, Mike Davis, Rick Stansbury, or Scott Drew maybe at 2 million a year we could go up a level and get a Jamie Dixon, Mike Anderson, Bruce Pearl, Jeff Capel. And if we did have to settle for an up and comer (I don’t think we would) how about Toney Barbee, Mark Turgeon, Frank Martin. All would be HUGE upgrades from CJP.(IMO)

  90. WPSGHG WPSGHG says:

    Unless Anderson was a lock, I can’t see why Pel shouldn’t get at least one more year (maybe two). There is a good chance we get the second seed in the SEC tourney (with a win over OM at home). I think that would be pretty swell. We could have a Hot run in the tourney. Lets hope Welsh graduates, I don’t see Washington getting his degree before his eligibility is up.

  91. Matt Matt says:

    Boi, Stansbury, Dixon and Anderson are the only coaches I would want. Stansbury would be very doubtful leaving for another SEC job. SNyder, Gottfried, and Davis haven’t proved they are championship coaches.
    We would have to really raise the bar (salary) to make that great hire. I don’t think long will go there.

  92. mudhog mudhog says:

    I agree with you Big Boi! Those are all very good candidates you mentioned! Now all we do is sit and watch it all unfold!

  93. south texas hog south texas hog says:

    Run the four quarters for 30 seconds, run the back-door-switch-an-go, run the ole time shuttle, but for christ sake run some kind of set play. Every game is a pick-up game under Pelphrey. At least when a set play fails, you can coach some kind of defensive strategy. Most college players are young enough to be taught not only coached. Maybe in a few years Pelphrey will figure that out, but can the Arkansas program afford to give him the time!

  94. mudhog mudhog says:

    Why wouldn’t Stanbury leave for another SEC school??? It’s not like we don’t know anyone who did the same thing!!! (HDN) I don’t think we are looking for proven championship coaches because if we are then yes we would have to raise the bar tremendously and even if we did would a coach leave a good thing to come here? I think not! No matter how much we raise the bar we aren’t getting a Bill Self, Roy Williams, Coach K, Billy Donovan, etc. Those guys are my definition of proven championship coaches! I think we are looking more so for coaches who most people believe have the POTENTIAL to become championship coaches!

  95. heres my problem, i could support Pelphrey for another year, but if next year is the same as this year, he gets fired, and we would have to go through a coaching change at the worst time possible for recruiting those top in-state athletes.

  96. your mom goes to college your mom goes to college says:

    I’m not in favor of firing Pel yet, but if he is let go, I’d like to see them try and get John Brady. LSU was always competitive with him and went to a Final 4. I’m sure he’s itching to get back to a major program and show LSU the mistake they made in letting him go.

  97. Theres a lot of positive candidates out there, they don’t even have to be top tier necessarily to provide our basketball program with new energy, and instantly improve our season next year considering we have the “luck” of playing in an extremely weak SEC West.

    An incoming coach could provide excitement around the program next year with minimal improvement and go into 2011 recruiting strong.

    Right now the trends that are occurring are going the opposite way, attendance dropping, fans getting disillusioned, the team unraveling at the end of 2 consecutive seasons. How will all these facts not affect recruiting? Are you guys living in some sort of cloud?

    I know its heretical as a fan not to expect next year to be the best year ever for whatever program, but I expect next year to be more of the same.

  98. mudhog mudhog says:

    If pel has another bad year next year and we decide to keep him hoping we’ll get the in-state guys then it could give those recruits the impression that the Basketball program at Arkansas isn’t doing everything it can to make it a competitive program! Look guys, it’s not a given that pel can get the in-state guys, yeah we have one committed now but nothing is set in stone until signing day! I understand that the relationship with the in-state guys has been there since pel was hired but you never decide a coches fate in order to get recruits! We’ve already been through that in our football program! Pel and staff already has shown that they aren’t very good recruiters and I don’t think we need to be playing around with this thing hoping that if we keep pel then we’ll get all of the in-state guys. Honestly, if pel did get the in-state guys I don’t think he would get the best out of them anyway. I really don’t, I can tell by the way our guys have been playing here lately and most of the year! Most of the time they seem as if they’ve got something better to do and don’t want to be playing! All you guys in support of pel ask yourselves if pel does get the in-state guys will he be able to do something with them?

  99. oldhog oldhog says:

    Bill Self, Roy Williams, Coach K, Billy Donovan, etc. Those guys are my definition of proven championship coaches!
    By mudhog on Mar 4, 2010 @ 11:34am

    I THINK THEIR RESUME SAYS THAT SINCE THEY ALL HAVE WON A CHAMPIONSHIP!

  100. wilehog wilehog says:

    Did the hogs sign the 7 footer from Memphis last year?Did he have to go to juco?Borden may have been his name.

  101. mudhog mudhog says:

    Uh, yeah, that’s what I meant oldhog! I was responding to Matt:

    “Boi, Stansbury, Dixon and Anderson are the only coaches I would want. Stansbury would be very doubtful leaving for another SEC job. SNyder, Gottfried, and Davis haven’t proved they are championship coaches.
    We would have to really raise the bar (salary) to make that great hire. I don’t think long will go there.”

  102. beasley beasley says:

    HogenDaz i will agree with boxing out and rebounding, and add to that is something that they should have learned in jr ball i’m handicapped and not on here to argue, just to post my thoughts, and enjoy reading others, seem like kids are not learning the fundimentals in high school
    to be ready for the big time, freethrows boxing out and other simple things the should know, just saying they miss alot of wide open shots, maybe this in coming class can add the defence we have been missing. sorry for my spelling, i have to use a on s screen keyboard and do the best i can.

  103. belpa zhog belpa zhog says:

    the problem with a young coach like pelphrey is limited networking. being young he has to rely on his own circle of friends like Ostrom and others from his South Alabama staff. He is lucky to have Evans but I do not know if he is using him properly. Malzahn will have the same problem when he steps in a head coaching job. He has very limited cirlce of friend coaches at this time.

  104. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    SNyder, Gottfried, and Davis haven’t proved they are championship coaches.

    By Matt on Mar 4, 2010 @ 11:24am

    Matt, Snyder has been to the elite eight and currently is the head coach of the Austin Toros who went to the NBA-DL championship game last year. Mike Davis did go the NCAA championship game in his second season (with mostly Bobby knights players) and then the 2nd round with his players. Mark Gottfried won the 2002 SEC championship took Alabama to 03-04 elite eight and a #1 ranking in 2002 thats pretty good if you ask me.

  105. wyohog wyohog says:

    John Brady is NOT the answer for our problems. I lived in Baton Rouge when Brady “left.” He was fired at LSU because they were terrible. The appeal of the Razorbacks job lost its luster more than 10 years ago, and I doubt we can attract another top-notch coach for awhile. If we could, we would already have one. The low graduation rates are another reason a top-flight coach would think two or three times before coming to Fayetteville. He would have just too many problems to fix right now. Unless Pelphrey can get us headed in the right direction next year, we will be looking at very bad years for quite some time.

  106. Do you think Roy Williams will be looking for another job next year?? hint, hint

  107. PlanoHawg PlanoHawg says:

    Right on Matt. As I said before we have to get lucky and win with what we have before we can attract top talent and even a top coach. A lot of you believe we are a top tier team now but we are not and won’t be for a couple of years at least. Give Pel his five years and see what happens. There is no guarantee that things will be better with another coach at this time.

  108. Matt Matt says:

    Everyone is saying next year would be a horrible time to fire our coach. Well look at what we would lose THIS year. Fortson, Clark, Powell, and a couple of incoming 4 stars. We would be at square one if we let him go right now. There is way too much upside with Pel returning than downside. Way more. Other teams are losing a lot more scoring and rebounding than we are, plus if Ratcliff joins this coming class, I would almost just about bet that we will win a total of at least 25-26 games next season. You can throw in the transfer-Peterson, to the mix. Thats my 45 year old opinion.

  109. Blake Blake says:

    Matt I agree. We would lose all progress with our 2011 recruits and most likely lose our signed 2010 recruits, and any hopes we have of landing Ratliffe.

    It isn’t going to happen.

    How many times do people need Long to publicly state this?

    Just go over to the other thread Richard posted about Ratliffe coming this weekend, and think about what needs to happen.

    Go to the game. Show the program and Ratliffe some love. And watch the 2010 Razorbacks whoop some ass.

  110. Matt Matt says:

    I know Blake, but I have run my mouth when I hear all this junk from unhappy fans. I’m sick of losing, but one more year will certainly be a breakout season. That will lead to another “bumper-crop” incoming class, and so on and so on.
    Rat, we need ya!
    Go Hogs!

  111. jack abbott jack abbott says:

    The loss of scholarships dilemna is going to be upon us soon. The BB program has been grossly mis-managed and mis-coached. We will have to have improvement out of the current players and have them graduate or we will be in a deeper hole. Obviously this does affect our academic reputation nationally and with recruits. My question is: does it affect the scholarships available in other sports? If it does, then the BB program is pulling us down in everything. From a business point of view it already has, the loss of revenue due to declining attendance and interest means that football has to subsidize BB more in addition to the other sports. Now you see why they are raising football ticket prices. Result: fans may more because if ineptness in the BB program. You do not have to be a MBA or CFO to figure this out.

  112. Blake those stories were from last year, before the current embarassing skid.

  113. Blake Blake says:

    Actually two of those are from Jan. 2010.

  114. Blake Blake says:

    and others are from Oct and Nov.

    I also could find many from Dec.

    There has not been a month that has gone by where Long has not said Pel is going nowhere.

    It isn’t happening. People just need to jump on the recruiting boat, and hope we land Ratliffe and support the program so we can land the 2011 stars.

  115. dwp007 dwp007 says:

    Ditto, Blake. Agree. Following the Creighton coach’s fiasco, PEL walked into a swarming beehive of issues and has had some rather extenuating circumstances to deal with, since. The simultaneous graduation of six seniors, the untimely loss of Patrick Beverly, early departures and lengthy suspensions. I still think he will build the program in a way we are all wanting it to be built.

    This year is almost a wrap and starting next, things will begin to take a turn for the better. If not, then drop the hammer.

  116. much easier transition if we drop the hammer this year than next, i hope that next year at the same time we are not talking about losing out on any viable recruits because we kept Pelphrey too long and now a new coach has to scramble to keep/get recruits committed.

  117. the element of risk in doing a coaching change at this point in time is very minimal, with a big upside. its a bigger risk to keep Pelphrey another year than to get rid of him.

    it wont be hard to improve on what CJP has done at all, and we may actually get a team that buys into what our next basketball coach (hopefully someone with a similar professional mindset as Petrino)is selling.

  118. Matt Matt says:

    Peyton you are full of it. The next coach would walk into a totally empty cupboard. It would be the 3rd year min before we would see any signs of life. Unless $$ is thrown out to make a Petrino type of hire. Outside of going for broke on a hire, it is WAY better for this program to keep Pel for another year. 23-24-25 wins this time next year. Mark it down.

  119. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Well look at what we would lose THIS year. Fortson, Clark, Powell, and a couple of incoming 4 stars.
    _____________________________________________________________________

    Matt I’m just curious. Where exactly do you think these boys would go??

    None of them would get NBA drafted. Maybe the Croatian league??

    You bring in a decent name i.e. Tubby Smith and all of them would stay as would Waithe and there would be still a good chance of Ratliffe and an excellent if not better chance at the Big 3 in 2011.

    Anyway…enough of this talk. As some have already said it’s to no use. Long is under the spell and I believe will not budge for at least one more year.

  120. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Anyway…enough of this talk. As some have already said it’s to no use. Long is under the spell and I believe will not budge for at least one more year.

    By HOGen-Dazs on Mar 5, 2010 @ 12:00am
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    It has to be frustrating for you (and your “other side” brethren) to give up the argument, when you know all along that you are smarter than the AD and Chancellor of THE UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS.

  121. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Randy why are you even still posting? You coudn’t even give me an answer about what progress Pel has made on the court over the last two years with this group. Well I’m sorry you did give an answer…about academics…not about basketball on the court.

    If you want to ignore the obvious flaws and lack of progress that’s fine. But at least many of us from the “other side” aren’t so naive that we can’t see both sides. I know I can. What’s really humiliating is that instead of using your brain to understand the argument for the other side you try and pretend to be smart by making silly attacks on the opposing side.

    I mean really…you use stuff like “ice cream boy” for your arguments. Your quite ridiculous. What was “liar liar pants on fire” taken?

    I already whipped up on your stupid arguments once…why do you want to get humiliated again??

  122. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    From your previous post you seem to have accepted the obvious. While it is totally within your right to constantly bitch and moan, some of us don’t see it as a positive thing for the program or for recruiting (hand in hand). Not that I want to speak for others, but I think you are close to being intelligent enough to get that drift from others’ posts as well.

    Humiliated? I think not. I just see things for what they are. And possibly with a little more understanding of what the repercussions would be if THE U OF A bought into your lynch mob mentality.

    Sorry if that offends you. Oh, and “ice cream boy” is an obvious reference to your screen name. Just rolls off of the keyboard easier. Sorry for my laziness.

    I must say though, to be called stupid by you (see above), truly has me LMAO. I hope you have a wonderful night and can be more civil the next time we respond to each others’ posts.

  123. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Hahaha…Randy do you always just forget how ridiculous your previous posts have been? Do you just make things up to try and appear smart?

    Accepted the obvious? See this is just another in a long line of assumptions you have made. Do you even try to base anything off of facts? I have always believed and have posted that I thought Pel would be around next year and even longer. This wasn’t a new revelation for me…but thanks anyway. The question has always been does he deserve to be around next year. And contrary to what you believe…there are legitimate arguments on BOTH sides.

    You talk about the art of “bitch and moan”. You have referenced this more than once. It’s funny how you don’t see how you are doing the same thing. You complain constantly about opinions opposite of yours. You also criticize and complain about anything factual that is a position opposite of your fairy land impression of Pelphrey. You do realize that it’s o.k. to have an actual opinion about the state of the basketball program that relays the “cons” that are going on just as it is to name the “pros”?? No I guess not.

    You are also naive when you think that the only way to be positive about a program is to stand idle and do or say nothing when things are so obviously going poorly. You really think this is the best strategy?? What about next year if we don’t make a tournament? What about the next? How many years in la la Randy land does it take of poor basktball to be acceptable to start shouting the “cons” or…in your words start “bitchin and moaning”?? From what you are saying you think that nothing should be said no matter what? Is that it? Well if that’s the case then we should have never gotten rid of Stan Heath or HDN. Or better yet we shouldn’t have gotten rid of Jack Crowe either. It’s ridiculous.

    Also ridiculous is you thinking that complaining about the state of affairs of a program is negative toward recruiting but obviously think that losing isn’t. Hmmmm…interesting take.

    And you still don’t get it. I don’t mind anyone having an opinion on either side of the wall. But you do. That’s the point. I cut into you just simply because when anyone voices their opinion in a slanted way against Pel you jump all over them…with others…yet think that your opinion should be the law and instruction manual for all posters. I attack the attackers…that’s you. There have been plenty of people on here that have posted positive things about Pel and the program and wish for patience and hope. I haven’t jumped on any of them with my “lynch mob mentality”. Why? Because I respect their opinion…even if it’s opposite to mine. But you can’t seem to give that same respect…which is where we have our little problem with one another.

    You will never understand that some of us love the program just as much as you but want what’s best for the program no matter who the coach is. We love the program…not the coach. Because coaches come and go. If they are not getting the job done for the program then they are not above scrutiny. In fact…that’s how changes start and occur.

    Oh and don’t by hypocritical. You have done nothing but be uncivil to me and others that have questioned Pel through this whole board. So practice what you preach.

    And you are still skirting the question about what progress Pel has made with these kids the last two years ON THE COURT. I guess you’re just not up for that one.

    I’m up for being civil Randy. But you’re going to have to respect others opinions first…even if they are drastically opposed to yours.

  124. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    I read the first little bit. Couldn’t get past the spelling gaffes, then just scrolled ALL the way down to the bottom, laughing through tears that you actually felt compelled to spend that much time on my post. Dude, go grab a beer or something. LOL

  125. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Hell, I’ll buy you one! Wait, maybe not. I don’t want you breaking a beer bottle over CJP’s head!!

  126. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Can anyone peg this comment to the player and situation?

    “He gave me a chance to play, and that’s really the only reason that I had a career is because he wanted me to succeed and he gave me a chance,” Mxxxxx said. “He understands sometimes things don’t work out real quick.”

  127. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Just sayin’

  128. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    My point being, is that there is a reason that Pel’s jersey is hanging close to the rafters at kentucky. He and other people suggest it was not for being the most talented on the floor. Those other people suggest he had a higher will to scrap and win than everyone else.

    I only hope we give him the chance to instill that into the great class he has coming in, as well as to help improve our current players.

    And don’t think for a second that the man does not know coaching. Let him get his “pieces” together.

    If he fails after that, THEN go ahead and scream for his dismissal.

  129. 23 wins matt? I would say you are the one thats full of it. mark it down.

  130. Like Ice Cream Boy, I think its unlikely that Pelphrey is gone this year, but I try to look at the bigger picture which I have heard no one address publicy — is there not a risk at all to keeping Pel another year? If he doesnt pan out next year, we go through a coaching change right at the time we are trying to recruit possibly one of Arkansas’ best in-state classes ever.

    So those of you who are on the “head in the clouds” side of the argument please riddle me this. Would love to hear your thinking.

  131. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    CJP=Brad Daugherty

  132. BB, apparently good players always make good coaches…. so we dont have the right to question Pel’s coaching credentials.

  133. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    SEC West teams with a National Title
    SEC West’s biggest arena
    SEC West highest attendance for basketball games

    Answer ARKANSAS

    I think that makes it a pretty good job, that a lot of people would want.(IMO)

  134. Agree Big Boi. I think the reason our coaching search was so awful last time was partly due to so many other better programs looking for coaches, I think its a different situation this time around.

    A decent coach could come in and kick some weak SEC West ass and make it to the Big Dance within 2 years.

  135. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    PeytonHillisFTW, We put all our eggs in the Billy Clyde Gillespie basket and got burned. Then we had an AD transition and the Patrick Beverly scandal that made a lot of coach shy away at the time so we had to settle for CJP. Nun of tho’s things would be issues now and we could get a REAL coach who can strategize, motivate, recruit and have respect from his players. Next year when he fails (and yes he will fail) we will be behind the 8 ball on the rest of the Arkansas kids(isn’t that only reason most of you want him to be retained this year the 2011 class?).

  136. GonzoHog GonzoHog says:

    SEC West teams with a National Title – Won almost 16 years ago.
    SEC West biggest area – Construction was completed over 16 1/2 years ago.
    SEC West highest attendance for basketball games

    Answer ARKANSAS
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    The last ARKANSAS team to win the SEC West regular season – 1994-’95.
    The last ARKANSAS team to win the SEC tourney – 1999-2000.
    The only bigtime program in the history of NCAA basketball to have it’s A.D. called out on national television by it’s black, National Championship caliber head coach – ARKANSAS
    The only bigtime program in the history of NCAA basketball to be sued for racism by that same ex-coach – Yep, you guessed it.

    Yeah buddy, that’s a reeeaal attractive job we’ve got up there on the hill. Our reputation must be outstanding in the eyes of all those bigtime recruits too.

  137. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    GonzoHog, The AD is gone and its been almost been 10 years since the Nolan mess. Baylor recovered from a murder, coach led cover-up and a near death penalty from the NCAA. So your arguement doesn’t hold much water.(IMO)

  138. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    but I try to look at the bigger picture which I have heard no one address publicy — is there not a risk at all to keeping Pel another year? If he doesnt pan out next year, we go through a coaching change right at the time we are trying to recruit possibly one of Arkansas’ best in-state classes ever.
    ______________________________________________________________________

    Yes Peyton…I brought this same point up a few days ago after I heard it mentioned from a caller on the Bo Matt show and thought he had a good argument. But the RazorRandy’s of the world don’t even want to fathom anything that makes sense. They don’t want to listen to anything that might darken Pel’s door…even if it’s the right decision.

    As for you RazorRandy. Yes I got a bit wordy on my last post. But you know with you it’s like trying to convince someone that waters wet…or the sun’s hot. It should be obvious but for some reason it’s just not sinking in with you…and that get’s frustrating. But I tried and tried. Oh well…guess it’s a lost cause with some.

    Yours and some others point of view can be summed up with your comment here….

    ***************************************************************
    I only hope we give him the chance to instill that into the great class he has coming in, as well as to help improve our current players.
    ***************************************************************

    As has been mentioned before by me and others…it seems some of you want to back a coach just based on potential recruits rather than what he’s actually done on the court. Some of us just think that’s a backward way of thinking. Some of us think that if we had a good system for recruits to work under…we would win quite a bit more…get to postseason play…and recruits would want to come anyway. What’s the use of getting recruits if the system doesn’t work? At least that’s the legitimate argument. Because what proof is there that Pel’s system is working??

    Which brings us to the second part of your statement. You still…after about 100 askings…refuse to answer this question even though you mention it in your statement. What progress has Pel made in progressing these current players over the last two years????

    You can rant and rave and think you’re being profound all you want. But you still wont…or let me help you…CAN’T answer this question.

    And for the last time…and you and others really try to comprehend this…I don’t CARE who is coaching the Arkansas Razorbacks as long as there seems to be progress being made ON THE COURT!!! There hasn’t been ANY PROGRESS MADE ON THE COURT FOR TWO YEARS!!!!! I don’t care if it’s Pel, Bill Self, YOU, Gumby, Barack Obama coaching…get it done or get out of the way!! Not win championships…not NCAA tournaments bids….just progress in the right direction. Is this in any way shape or form unclear to you guys now??

    Hello brick wall…meet head!

  139. it doesnt. that nolan crap was years ago,and reflected more on the coach than the fans and the university anyway.

  140. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    The last ARKANSAS team to win the SEC tourney – 1999-2000
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    Only 4 teams have won the SEC tourny since Arkansas and we were runners up in 07 and 08

  141. GonzoHog GonzoHog says:

    Big Boi,

    I know you disagree or refuse to agree with my way of thinking, but just in case you haven’t noticed, racism is a pretty big deal these days.
    You can bring up murder at Baylor if you want, but even that doesn’t hold a candle to racism in the south these days.
    With an old racist southern state reputation haning over our heads, Frank Broyles and the UofA changed the dynamics of the game by hiring Nolan back in ’85, making the UofA more attractive to young black athletes. Frank, along with a crap load of help from Nolan, ruined that.

    If we don’t regain lost appeal from young black recruits we’re toast.
    The university just recently got rid of the that old admistration, so your 10 year theory doesn’t hold water.

    Why do you think we just recently held a ceremony for Nolan and the ’94 NC team? I don’t believe for a second it was because we were over it 10 years ago.

  142. RKV RKV says:

    For Pel’s system to work you have to have a point guard that is a floor general, controls the tempo, and recognises what is working and what is not. It’s a lot like Nolan’s, his good teams always had great point guards, his later teams didn’t and they struggled. Courtney is flashy and looks great when his shots are falling but doesn’t adjust if its not. He only knows one speed and if its not working runs us out of games. We don’t have the guard rotation needed to wear down the other team. A lot of nolan’s teams would look bad for 30 minutes, then blow out the other team the last 10.

  143. Gonzo,

    I really dont appreciate the way you are dragging our university through the racial mud with no facts to back it up biatch.

    What recruits have mentioned anything about race as a reason for not committing to Arkansas???

    Please explain why you think Arkansas is supposedly more racist than any other SEC school.

  144. RKV, that has nothing to do with Pel’s system in particular. Any team needs a good pointguard these days to be successful.

  145. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Somebody get ice cream boy a towel. He’s foaming at the mouth.

  146. RKV RKV says:

    Its a lot more important for a team that runs an up tempo offense than a slower one. with a slower offense a coach has more control and can call sets and plays more. An up tempo team has to make decisions on the fly giving the players more control.

  147. RKV, i have not seen a lot of up tempo from Pelphrey to be honest. instead, i have seen slow tempo, confused and lost plays.

  148. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    Gonzo, Who your source on lost appeal from young black recruits? Last I checked we only had one scholarship caucasion on the team. And since the Nolan racism law suit we have signed several players from Mississippi, Lousisiana and Virginia. Stan Heath( A man of color) was hired and was able to recruit two top 15 classes and a top 5 class when Nolan’s law suit was still pending. In your argument(The racist college of the NCAA) wouldn’t this effect football recruiting as well?

  149. GonzoHog GonzoHog says:

    “biatch”? Do I really need another reason to question your maturity, not to even mention your sanity?
    I’ll be 44 years old in 3 days, and you can bet your Granny’s a$$ I have never been or will be yours or anyone elses “biatch”. Understand?
    There are very simple rules to engaging in discussion on this board, even in disagreement.
    There isn’t one single thing I’ve memtioned about the university’s race issue that wasn’t FACT, maybe not in garanteed writing, but damn well a fact.
    When you grow up and understand how to connect the dots in life, maybe then you’ll understand everything that goes with it.
    That one specific issue is just a very small part of what your still very iggnorant to.

  150. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    For Pel’s system to work you have to have a point guard that is a floor general, controls the tempo, and recognises what is working and what is not.

    By RKV on Mar 5, 2010 @ 12:09pm
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    I guess your talkin about CJP mythical up-temp, press and trap system he talks about but no one has ever seen.

  151. Gonzo Hog,

    instead of questioning my maturity you should be providing evidence to back up your damaging, irresponsible, and incredibly ignorant claim that recruits are coming to Arkansas because of the race issue.

    and you call yourself a fan. im ashamed to be associated with you. Did you forget you are talking on a RECRUITING BOARD?! so dont spread around trash about the Arkansas reputation unless you can back it up with irrefutable facts.

  152. RKV RKV says:

    That’s the problem,we look good and can win when our up tempo is working but when its not our other options are all chaotic and look like crap. Part of the problem is Courtney’s first choice is always himself so everybody else stops to see what he is going to do. When he does pass it to them they are surprised and usually miss it. He is unpredictable, that’s good when it fools defenses but not when you fool your teammates.

  153. RKV RKV says:

    It take a lot of depth to press and run. Pel has not had any. Even if that’s his fault you still can’t run without it. Next year with what we have coming in we should start to see it. We should have at least 4 and maybe 6 guards to rotate, and Waithe looks like he could really cover the middle of a press with his reach and speed. Next year nobody will be left that Pel didn’t recruit so if we don’t see a lot more of his system I agree it will be time for him to go, but I think things will be very different.

  154. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    That’s the problem,we look good and can win when our up tempo is working but when its not our other options are all chaotic and look like crap. Part of the problem is Courtney’s first choice is always himself so everybody else stops to see what he is going to do. When he does pass it to them they are surprised and usually miss it. He is unpredictable, that’s good when it fools defenses but not when you fool your teammates.
    ********************************************************************
    Very true…very very true. We had a great case study in the Tenn game. Even when Tenn loses they always seem to know exactly where they want to go and what they are doing. They picked apart Arkansas’ defense in the half court because Pearl has taught them how to do that…it’s his system. They played smart basketball with methodical passing.

  155. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    Pelphrey has a really young team. One of starters from last year has barely played. Another starter, Marcus Britt, it seems can only score when he gets a garbage bucket. Pelphrey has a really good class coming in and it will be even better if Ratliffe signs with us. Some of you ask for improvement? We won 2 SEC gameslast year and we have won 7 far.
    Please remember that Pelphrey had to basically start over after his first year because he lost 6 seniors and Beverly. He has little depth at key positions. Welsh isn’t very good. Washington is playing hurt and out-of-shape. Britt can’t score (we’re playing 4 on 5 when he’s in and we are on offense), Clarke is a sophomore that needs to learn to make some scoring opportunities for himself. Fortson is a sophomore that missed the first half of this year and is still learning to be a leader. Johnson is in his first year as a JUCO transfer and seems like he’s coming along. Sanchez may never play again, Farmer is in his first year as a JUCO transfer and is still adjusting to the college game, Welsh makes terrible decisions

  156. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    Nobles is a freshman that’s a decent backup.

    We have Scott coming in who will give us nice size at the 2 spot. Waithe will give us the the length at the 3 we are missing. We also have Wade coming in. He’ll be an upgrade.

  157. GonzoHog GonzoHog says:

    Peyton,

    For me to provide requested information of said fact, would require clear understanding (developed through dedicated knowledge of Razorback history) of the entire said circumstances by the requesting party. (that would be you)

  158. Fortson — 2 years experience
    Nobles — 1 year experience
    Clarke — 2 years experience
    Powell — 1 year experience
    Washington — 4 years experience
    Britt — 3 years? britt isnt supposed to be a scorer, hes a defensive specialist and many top 25 teams have players that are defenders rather than scorers first

  159. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Next year nobody will be left that Pel didn’t recruit so if we don’t see a lot more of his system I agree it will be time for him to go, but I think things will be very different.
    **********************************************************************

    I hope so RKV. But with one of the more dynamic PG’s in the league, the supposed best SG in the nation, one of the best young PF in the nation and two of the best JUCO’s in the nation…with some other supposed talented players coming in…what should normal expectations with this kind of talent be? And what would be considered underachieving or overachieving??

    With this kind of talent coming in and returning are we all going to sit around and hope that this team just makes post season play of some kind?? And if they do go to the NIT should that be considered a success for Pel and that his system is working?? That’s what the Pel supporters are going to say.

    So to everyone out there…a poll of sorts. What are expectations for Arkansas basktball for 2010-2011 season if everyone who is supposed to returns…they get both Waithe and Ratliffe…as well as the kid from Dallas comes in and the Wade kid?? What’s reasonable expectation?

    Conference…
    A)Compete for West title
    B)Compete for SEC title

    Nationally…
    1)winning record and any post season play.
    2)Deep run in NIT
    3)Just make NCAA tournament…even as a bubble team.
    3)average or good seed in NCAA tournament
    4)Deep run in NCAA tournament

    I’ll go first. With that kind of talent returning and coming in I think the Hogs expectations should be to compete for an SEC title, get a good seed in the NCAA tournament and win at least ONE game in the tournament although a Sweet 16 should be in reach.

    There ya go. Anything under that with this talent and with this “Great” coaching staff should be considered a down year.

  160. RKV RKV says:

    I agree coach Pearl does an excellent job of getting everybody on the same page and all his players buy in to his system. If Pel can’t do a better job of that he won’t make it at this level but I still hold out hope he will. Also Pearl has his son that knows his system inside out, running the show even though he has better athletes he could use.UT sometimes gets out of rhythm and becomes erratic if Pearl is not in there. I realize Pearl has been successful with teams without his son, but this year when he lost a lot of his depth and has to win without numbers its a big help to have some one he trusts this much in there.

  161. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Some of you ask for improvement? We won 2 SEC gameslast year and we have won 7 far.
    *********************************************************************

    Forest for the trees Mr. Perfect and you know it.

    Last year the SEC only got 3 bids for the NCAA tournament…LSU, Miss st. and Tenn. In other words…the conference was pretty poor and Arkansas finished last.

    This year the West will be lucky to get ANY teams in the tournament and the best team last year…LSU…is the worst team this year because of all the players they lost. Thus Arkansas’ only wins are against West teams…none against the East. In fact I’m not sure if the West has beaten an East team this year. Yet Arkansas could possible still finish with a losing record and could theoretcally end up 4th in seeding instead of 2cd.

    And also…looking at the season as a whole…we have totally collapsed at the end of both seasons which only means these teams have gotten worse instead of better under Pel’s watch as the season went on.

    Progress? You have to do better than us beating West teams that aren’t near as good as last year…especially since the so called worst West teams are now kicking our butts.

  162. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    but this year when he lost a lot of his depth and has to win without numbers its a big help to have some one he trusts this much in there.
    *********************************************************************

    Very true RKV. But isn’t it interesting that Pearl did lose alot of his depth and his best player yet in his system he’s still nationally competitive…even when he has to use less talented players like his son?? That’s quite a system isn’t it?

  163. RKV RKV says:

    HOGen-Dazs I think your expectations are in line with mine. We should compete for the SEC and a good seed in the NCAA. Also I expect us to be better at the end of the year than we were at the start or the middle. Anything less, barring injuries or some other thing out of his control, would be disappointing and should cause Long to look very closely at the future of the program.

  164. Blake Blake says:

    SO everybody excited yet about Ratliffe visiting??

    Come on, lets show some love for one weekend and see if we can get a huge piece to the Razorbacks turnaround next year secured.

  165. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    And also…looking at the season as a whole…we have totally collapsed at the end of both seasons which only means these teams have gotten worse instead of better under Pel’s watch as the season went on.

    Lack of depth?

  166. Yes HD, and Pearl also had some of his best players involved in an altercation with the law….

    any way you slice it, its clear Pelphrey isnt in the same class as Pearl when it comes to managment ability.

  167. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    “the supposed best SG in the nation”

    Don’t mistaken ability to make baskets with being “one of the best SGs in the nation”.
    Clarke may be one of the best shooters, but is clearly
    not one of the best SGs in the nation. He can’t take anyone off the dribble and can’t create his own shots. Those are qualities the best SGs have.

  168. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    Pearl has more talent OVERALL than we do.

  169. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    And also…looking at the season as a whole…we have totally collapsed at the end of both seasons which only means these teams have gotten worse instead of better under Pel’s watch as the season went on.

    Lack of depth?
    *********************************************************************

    True Mr. Perfect. Could be a factor. But if you are going to blame an entire collapse on just that then I think you are a bit naive as well.

    Having a lack of depth is no excuse to losing to teams who also don’t have quality of depth not to mention near as good talent as we have starter for starter. Teams like LSU, auburn, Alabama and the like don’t have any better depth and also don’t have the starting talent we have. Yet they have kicked our butts and all are better than we are right now.

    Factor…yes. But no more than with some others.

  170. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    We all agree that Petrino is a great coach. How good of a squad would he have if he lost over 50% of his players after a year? That’s what Pelphrey had to deal with. That’s asking a lot.

  171. Yeah, im sure that NONE of that attrition can be attributed to Pelphrey. Head meet sand.

  172. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Don’t mistaken ability to make baskets with being “one of the best SGs in the nation”.
    Clarke may be one of the best shooters, but is clearly
    not one of the best SGs in the nation. He can’t take anyone off the dribble and can’t create his own shots. Those are qualities the best SGs have.
    ******************************************************************
    Alot of truth here as well Mr. Perfect. But perspective has to come into play. I should have said one of the best “shooters” in the country…not SG. But plenty of other schools have had and utilize to their advantage great “shooters”.

    On a larger scale Duke never seemed to have trouble getting JJ Redick an open look numerous times a game. With your criteria he wasn’t a great SG either…just a great shooter. Coach K’s system though got that great “shooter” drafted because Coach K new how his system could help Reddick.

    On a smaller scale Auburn seems to be doing very well with Waller…the Hog killer…in getting him open as well.

    The point is that when you have a great “shooter” like Clarke and have the ability to adapt your system to help that “shooter” help your team to the fullest…then it’s a great system.

    So yes…Clarke is a major and good asset to the team if used properly.

  173. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    Please remember that Pelphrey had to basically start over after his first year because he lost 6 seniors and Beverly. He has little depth at key positions.

    By MRPRFCT on Mar 5, 2010 @ 1:21pm
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    MRPRFCT, Yes he lost 7 players but didn’t he have an equal number of scholarships to replace them with(which sould have laid the foundation for his system)? Out of the 10 players he signed only 4 remain thats CJP fault. Not to mention out of the 20 players CJP has signed only four have been rated 4* recruits(Alabama has three 4* and a 5* in their last nine players signed, LSU has three 4* with their last six players signed, Ole Miss has three 4* out of the last nine signed Miss ST has three 4* and a 5* out of their last twelve signed) so with basiclly twice as many players signed CJP has managed to aquire less talent.

  174. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    We all agree that Petrino is a great coach. How good of a squad would he have if he lost over 50% of his players after a year? That’s what Pelphrey had to deal with. That’s asking a lot.
    *********************************************************************

    You’re killing your own argument Mr. P with this. You see that’s just it…Petrino had NOTHING to work with in his FIRST year yet was still able to be competitive in his system and everyone can agree his team was much better at the end of the year than at the beginning.

    He, just like Pel, had an opportunity to recruit his FIRST year as well.

    Pel on the other hand had a veteran team handed to him that had some success his first year. This should have made it much easier to get the players he needed and much faster. It’s easier to recruit off of success than it is off of a season like Petrino had.

    But now look…after two seasons…with less to work with…Petrino has recruited well but also his system has made those recruits better and had more success in two years…with high expectations in the third year.

    Pel…has been stagnate. And it can’t all be because of bad luck. Especially if you just micro the vision and look at the individual seasons and how his players did not progress as the season went on. Not progress to win titles…just progress as basketball players and being competitive.

  175. Big Boi Big Boi says:

    Gonzo, Why don’t you stop running from your own words and respond!

    Who’s your source on lost appeal from young black recruits? Last I checked we only had one scholarship caucasion on the team. And since the Nolan racism law suit we have signed several players from Mississippi, Lousisiana and Virginia. Stan Heath( A man of color) was hired and was able to recruit two top 15 classes and a top 5 class when Nolan’s law suit was still pending. In your argument(That Arkansas is racist college of the NCAA) wouldn’t this effect football recruiting as well?

  176. another difference between Petrino and Pelphrey is that you dont hear about kids wanting to join our basketball program because they are EXCITED ABOUT PELPHREYS STYLE OF PLAY. They do say that exact thing though when they are recruited by Petrino.

    Personally, I am through thinking that Pelphrey is the man for the job. He is not. The only thing he has done is lower expectations since he has been here.

  177. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    Petrino had NOTHING to work with in his FIRST year yet was still able to be competitive in his system

    You’re right. Those games against Western Illinois and Louisiana-Monroe were real competitive.

  178. Bo Mattingly is going off the deep end.

    “I dont think John Pelphrey has lost a lot of support here” He says the ones who are the most hardcore fans still support Pelphrey.

    Bo said that most of the ones who Pel has lost the support of is the fans who only care when Arkansas basketball is doing well.

    Is Bo Mattingly Razor randy??? I shudder at the thought.

  179. Blake Blake says:

    Everyone mentions how Pel had to replace 7 players off the first squad, and how he should have been able to replace them. I see where you are coming from, but you have to look at the way recruiting works these days.

    There are AAU coaches (handlers), HS coaches, actual handlers, parents, baby mommas, and just about an endless list of people coaches have to deal with these days. Recruiting is a circus in basketball, it is absolutely ridiculous.

    Pelphrey had the scholarships, but not the time at Arkansas to build the relationships that land you the top talent. Too many hoops to jump through and not enough time.

    He had to take risks, and we all see that has us where we are now.

    However, the hard work he has put in on the recruiting trail IS starting to pay off. Waithe, Scott, Wade, and Ratliffe are all big time. And they are all high IQ and high character players.

    It will be the first class where he gets the talent at the low risk. (there are always risks, we all know that)

    In 2011 things are even more clear what kind of hard work and relationship building Pel has been doing since he became the head Hog.

    Too many times people look at Wins and Loses and that is all they base their opinion on. And then there are those that look at the intangibles, but with an already skewed perception.

    Pelphrey is working hard. Unfortunately for all of us right now the product we have on the floor just won’t hunt.

    But those close to the program- players families, AD, Chancellor, Pelphrey himself- are all excited about the future and how the program is being turned back around.

    Yeah it is not evident now-and we are all sick of losing-but the talent is coming in finally. The talent to compete with top programs, and that will start to easily win the West year in and year out.

    Thats my prediction.

  180. Blake Blake says:

    If people are patient (and they are going to have to be, because Pel is going nowhere) this squad we have right now is going to surprise you.

    These kids want to win, and they have had two awful seasons. Nobody is denying that.

    But when next year and the year after they, along with the talent coming in, achieve great things it will be a nice feel-good story.

    At that point people will likely understand more about what Pel has had to go through these three years at Arkansas, and why other coaches didn’t want to come into the situation.

  181. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    I agree partly Blake. I think with what’s coming in and what we already have we are going to improve in the win category.

    However I think…as with many teams…if you have the horses then you will be able to be somewhat successful. But it’s the coaches that have good systems that seem to be able to hold at bay huge letdowns and huge disappointing seasons because their system let’s even the mediocre players excel.

    What I’m afraid that we are seeing is a coach that needs superb talent to be competitive at a high level. If that’s the case then fine…as long as he’s bringing in superb talent year in and year out.

    Unless your name is Calipari or Self you really can’t count on doing that every year. That’s why even in the down years you better have a superior system to keep you competitive.

  182. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    You’re right. Those games against Western Illinois and Louisiana-Monroe were real competitive.
    *********************************************************************
    LOL…as usual Mr. P…trying to distort things.

    Let’s look at what I said again….

    “You see that’s just it…Petrino had NOTHING to work with in his FIRST year yet was still able to be competitive in his system and everyone can agree his team was much better at the end of the year than at the beginning. ”

    Petrino’s first year….last 7 games.

    Win…Ark 25, Auburn 22 AT Auburn
    Loss..Kentucky 21, Ark 20 AT Kentucky
    Loss…Ole Miss 23, Ark 21 AT Ark
    Win…Ark 30, Tulsa 23 AT Ark
    Loss…SC 34, ARk 21 AT SC
    Loss…Miss ST. 31, Ark 28 at Miss ST.
    Win Ark 31, LSU 30 AT Ark

    So I’m not sure Mr. P but let’s get this straight. I talk about how Petrino’s first team got better and progressed and was competitive as the season went on and were much better at the end of the year than the first.

    You respond back with examples of the first two games.

    Are we just in two different worlds or do you not see the progression of this team in how they were more competitive by season’s end??

  183. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    South Carolina and Mississippi State weren’t too good that year and we lost to them. In fact, many thought we would beat both and at least one of them. As I recall, we had a 2 TD lead against MSU and still lost. We didn’t progress each and every game. No one is blaming Petrino for that. We all understood with a young team and a lack of depth that hiccups would occur….kinda like what happen down in LSU with the basketball team.

  184. this basketball – football analogy needs to stop now.

    the main comparison is that Petrino has given hope by performance on the field, Pelphrey has not provided hope with the performance of his team on the court.

  185. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Like Ice Cream Boy, I think its unlikely that Pelphrey is gone this year, but I try to look at the bigger picture which I have heard no one address publicy — is there not a risk at all to keeping Pel another year? If he doesnt pan out next year, we go through a coaching change right at the time we are trying to recruit possibly one of Arkansas’ best in-state classes ever.

    So those of you who are on the “head in the clouds” side of the argument please riddle me this. Would love to hear your thinking.

    By PeytonHillisFTW on Mar 5, 2010 @ 8:09am
    ——————————————————————
    Make up your mind, ‘head in the clouds’, or ‘head in the sand’. Pel has a nice group coming in this next year and obviously is working hard to enhance that class. You, and your twin sister’s drivel don’t do anything to enhance any young man’s opinion of whether or not he should come to THE U of A. This IS a posting board regarding RECRUITING.

    I do understand that it is more important for y’all to see your drivel posted on a website such as this, than to truly be smart HOG fans and post positive things for these recruits to read.

    I know your twin sister has Neapolitan’s Complex, and it seems that you have a very similar complex as well.

  186. RazorRandy RazorRandy says:

    Is Bo Mattingly Razor randy??? I shudder at the thought.

    By PeytonHillisFTW on Mar 5, 2010 @ 2:50pm
    ——————————————————
    You and your twin sister’s infatuation with me is troubling. I’d rather you both leave me out of your thoughts.

  187. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    If you want to be left alone RazorRandy then quit responding to our posts. You haven’t posted anything worth while anyway. As usual you’re not smart enough to realize that it was you bashing someone else who had a different opinion than you did that started all this. So this whole thing started with YOU.

    You haven’t been able to retort anything against me or Peyton worth while so now you try and make yourself feel better and superior by still calling names and making up infatuation crap when all you’ve done is respond to us most of the time…freakin’ hilarious…and disturbing.

    So now Randy…if you can break yourself away from your mom’s teet…go down to your basement…take your special helmet off…don’t drool on the run…and try and answer the question I’ve posed to you about hundred times that you refuse to answer because you don’t have an answer. What has Pel done to progress these players and the team over the last two years ON THE COURT???

    You wont ever answer this because you know you’ll look like a fool trying. Even though Mr.P is about as delusional as you at least he never dodges questions like some little girl.

    Good luck with that!!

  188. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    The basketball team has made about as much progress as the football team.

  189. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Yep…you see that’s what I like about you Mr. P. Delusional…yet you don’t dodge anything. And that’s o.k.

    It’s perfectly fine to disagree. I hope you know that by delusional I just mean I think you’re crazy to think that way. But I totally respect that you do.

  190. Blake Blake says:

    i would agree with Mrp. the team made similar conf play improvement as the football team. also when you consider how they were short handed on and off all season with suspensions and washington hurt on and off they have had to work with what they got. its been a rough year but today we have a big recruit on campus and can get an 8th conf win. better than most ppl expected

  191. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    Let’s see, last year we went 2-14 in conference and this tear we might go 9-7 in conference. Two years ago we went 2-6 in conference in football and 3-5 in conference this past year.

    Delusional?

  192. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Yes delusional.

    First of all…we can’t finish 9-7. The best we can do is 8-8 and that’s IF we beat Ole Miss today.

    Second…in football…we were in the possible the toughest division of THE toughest football conference in America.

    In basketball we are struggling with the worst division of one of the worst BCS conferences in America.

    It’s called perspective…try it.

    Oh and also…last year in basketball the West was actually tougher than the East sending two teams to the NCAA tournament.

    So the 2 wins…although still embarrassing…is much more understandable with young players than the pitiful West this year where we having several returning starters and still will only finish .500 at best.

    Football has this thing called bowl games for post season. Now there are several…some worst than others. But Arkansas went to a middle of the road bowl…and won. They also finished with a decent overall record.

    You are comparing that to two years of sub .500 ball even after reading about the conference strengths and weaknesses??

    Again…delusional.

  193. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    LOL the Liberty Bowl isn’t a middle-of-the-road bowl game. It’s nearly the worse bowl game any SEC can go to. Are you sure I’m the delusional one?

  194. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    From the SEC office…

    “In selections 6-7, the AutoZone Liberty and Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowls will make their selections”

    The liberty is the bowl picked after the Cap 1 bowl, Chic-fil-A, Outback, and Cotton Bowl.

    The bowls after the Liberty are the MUsic City, Indy, and Papa JOhn bowls.

    So yes…it’s middle of the road. They could have easily gone to Outback had region not had something to do with things since they finished better than Auburn and won head to head.

    Now do you want to continue to look silly or just carry on??

  195. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Also it’s the same thing with the payouts. The Liberty has a higher payout than the Papa Johns, Indy, and Music City bowls.

    So wither way you look at it…being seeding or payout I think the Liberty is far from…what did you say…oh yeah…

    “It’s nearly the worse bowl game any SEC can go to.”

    Yes…delusional!!

  196. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    You failedto mention the Sugar Bowl. How many bowl tie-ins does the SEC have?

  197. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    What does it matter Mr. P? You continue to just state inaccurate things. You said the Liberty was about the worst bowl an SEC team could go to. I proved that wrong. End of story. Try and spin your way out of it all you want.

    You try and compare apples to oranges with the football and basketball team when one is at least going to post season play while the other one wont for two years running.

    Between you being inaccurate about the easiest of things like not even knowing what Arkansas’ conference record was to the bowl games…why are you even responding anymore?

  198. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    If Petrino continues to go to the Liberty Bowl he won’t be coaching at Arkansas very long. Most folks will agree that going to the Liberty is NOT a reward and is looked upon as a bad bowl. If you look at bowl tie-INS I believe the 6-7 choice is near the bottom or “one of the worst bowls an SEC team can go to. Look at the SEC teams that have gone to the Liberty Bowl lately 7-5 Arkansas, 6-6 Kentucky, and 7-5 Mississippi State. The opponent comes from Conference USA. They’re not even a BCS conference.
    I misread the conference standings, an admitted mistake. I’ll also admit going from 2-14 to 7-9 is significant improvement. I’d also say the 2010 recruiting class is an improvement also. Did you love what the announcers said about the future of the basketball team? I know I loved it.

  199. HOGen-Dazs HOGen-Dazs says:

    Yes…and I hope they’re right. That’s where so many make wrong assumptions. I hope Pel improves the team…I just don’t think he has so far. I could care less who the coach is as long as we improve and win…which we have not done in the back half of two straight seasons.

    But yes…I hope the announcers are right.

    And I would like to have people post on whether they think like you that the Liberty bowl is “nearly the worst bowl in the SEC you can go to”.

  200. MRPRFCT MRPRFCT says:

    I’m sure most people will agree with me.

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