let’s see what happens. We’ve lost many games this year that we shouldn’t have lost and we’ve won some games we shouldn’t have won. Let’s just hope for the latter tonight!
Any links to the game. The only way I can listen here in Joplin is get in my truck and go to a hill at MSSU. Campus police give me a suspicous look when I tell them I am listening to a ball game. May become the only man in history to be arrested for listening to a ball game.
this will be ugly… but here’s the hope… after kentucky killed us we won 5 in a row. that’s it, we win 5 in row after tonight, against ole miss sat and 3 in sec tourney to get auto bid to tourney and a 1st round win.
Arkansas — F Michael Washington (6-9, Sr., 12.3 ppg), PF Marshawn Powell (6-7, Fr., 15.6), G Marcus Britt (6-3, Jr., 3.9), SG Rotnei Clarke (6-0, So., 15.8), PG Courtney Fortson (5-11, So., 18.5)
Tennessee — C Brian Williams (6-10, Jr., 4.8 ppg), F Wayne Chism (6-9, Sr., 12.7), F J.P. Prince (6-7, Sr., 8.7), G Scotty Hopson (6-7, So., 13.0), G Bobby Maze (6-3, Sr., 9.4)
Though I have to disagree, Wally Hall had an interesting column today on Courtney Fortson.
A “guard” seemingly determined to lead the team in [shot] attempts is not a true point guard or floor general. Fortson’s “way” of doing things may have worked at the high school level, but has quickly been diagnosed in the SEC.
In my opinion, “relishing” the role of having all eyes on him while jacking up ill advised 3 after 3 or not dishing the ball to open teammates has another smell to it – like an overdone hotdog.
Did Fortson get lazy on that layup that Pearl blocked earlier? It sounded like he just took his time on the breakaway from the comments from the tenn announcers.
Arkansas has Division Two athletes….let’s face it…these particular players are inferior to Tennessee, Kentucky and other top tier players. PERIOD… why do we even bother?
ironically people say its not Pel’s fault because of all the discipline problems. Tennessee may have had any more discipline problems, but you dont see any excuses from Bruce Pearl.
Arkansas just doesnt belong in the SEC East thats clear, we are right where we belong in the SEC West.
I don’t know just what it is that makes the big time coaches better than the rest, but it just doesn’t look like Pel’s got it to me! He may eventually become a good SEC coach, but I just don’t ever see him being one of the greats! I don’t mean to be derogatory towards him, he’s is a good person, but whatever Nolan and Eddie had it just isn’t showing up in Pel!
What’s interesting is that we could theoretically be the 4th seed from the West by the time it’s all done.
Ole Miss will probably be one game up on us after tonight. So if they beat us next game they are the two seed.
Auburn is beating Miss St. right now. If they win they will be ONE game behind us. If we lose to Ole Miss and Auburn beats Bama next game out I think they get us on the tiebreaker for the 3rd seed and we will finish up 4th in the West.
What makes bib time coaches better than the rest is players that can shoot. Welsh, Fortson, Powell and Clarke were all horrible. And some of you keep blaming the coach.
I don’t know just what it is that makes the big time coaches better than the rest, but it just doesn’t look like Pel’s got it to me! He may eventually become a good SEC coach, but I just don’t ever see him being one of the greats! I don’t mean to be derogatory towards him, he’s is a good person, but whatever Nolan and Eddie had it just isn’t showing up in Pel!
By hogfan1509 on Mar 3, 2010 @ 8:07pm
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Amen!
I do blame the coach. those are his players….they CAN shoot. but CJP hasn’t done his necessary duty in improving this team from last year to this year (weak SEC West schedule is the difference in +5 conference wins)
I love the Razorbacks, but I get discouraged when I watch an Arkansas team that doesn’t play defense; doesn’t rebound; doesn’t appear to have any offensive plays other than “Fortson go to the basket”; and has too many inept players with the green light to shoot threes(i.e., Welsh).
Where’s the coaching on this team?
Did the Hogs have a rebound edge tonight? they did for most the night. What I am seeing is we don’t have a leader on the floor or a point guard. it is hard to be a great or even good team wo that. hopefully someone on this team emerges in those areas next year. they did compete tonight but the losses are just killin me.
I still say it is lack of D One talent…we seem to get the ones left over…I hate the Big East teams and the ones always on tv…in fact…as a short guy that didnt play basketball…I dont know why I am even interested …other than the fact that it is the Razorbacks.
i never seen anyone that could coach a ball in the basket, they get the shots and brick off the front don’t see that being the coach. if you know someone that can, help him get the job.
those shots were being jacked off at the wrong times by the wrong people often. the offense didnt seem to be set up much, with proper rotation, as well as points off of turnovers in transition seemed close to nonexistent.
its tough to use this game as an example of bad coaching though, because Tennessee is supremely better than Arkansas, and you have to give credit to their defensive skills, but the LSU game is a better example, as well as the entire second half of the SEC season. this team regresses for some reason after it climaxes.2 years in a row now.
i never seen anyone that could coach a ball in the basket, they get the shots and brick off the front don’t see that being the coach. if you know someone that can, help him get the job.
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O.k…but have you seen someone coach shot selection? Have you seen someone coach sets and O to get good shot selection?
Have you seen someone coach tempo…coach half court sets…coach perimeter defense…coach high/low post…coach gapping…coach boxing out and rebounding….
one could even make the argument we are worse this year, considering we have not been able to beat any teams that were the caliber of last year’s Oklahoma and Texas, and when we faced that level of talent this year could not really stay competitive.
I wouldn’t say we are worse, but I will say we are stagnant. I don’t see a third year changing that, especially since we will be an even physically shorter team next year.
Welsh- Washington did not improve from Jr. years and we are paying the price. I have contended all along we just don’t have enough talent esp. from an atheletic point of view. I listened to game on Vol network. Tuned in at half. At that time Tenn 12 fast break pts. Ark 2. It was about same second half. Don’t know much about new recruits. Hope???
poch, not really for this years recruits. marvell waithe is supposed to be the next marshawn powell, but he is only 6’8″.
everybody is pinning their hopes on 2011 recruiting, which means that if Pel misses on getting those in-state athletes, just about everyone will be pissed for keeping him around so long without results…….
I watched the Waithe kid play a game online. He seems pretty smooth for a big kid but like alot of our guys right now he seemed to want to shoot the 3 too much and settled for jumpshots just about all the time.
We can’t really compare last year’s team to this year’s team because of the high player turnover. Clarke, Fortson, and Washington are the main holdovers, but the rest of last year’s newcomers are not with us this year. The fact that we have to rely on 1st-year players AGAIN is hurting us some this year. No team can consistently get better if it essentially turns over its entire team every year. Now, who’s fault is that? I think the coach has a lot to do with that since he brought in the players that didn’t work out in the first place. That being said, I don’t see any offensive plays except for 4 guys standing still on the perimeter and 1 guy standing still in the post. The best teams have players that move without the ball, and I rarely see that from this team. I, too, think Pelphrey will be a good coach one day, but I’m losing confidence in him very quickly right now.
Yeah Gonz, there was actually some guy on here earlier claiming the only reason he was still watching the game was to see if his ‘blowout’ prediction came true. He apparently was just waiting to gloat about a much worse loss.
I hope he bet a bundle on tennessee, as the line was 11 and he predicted a much worse loss for our Hogs. I believe 7 won the money.
Just watched regional play of Waithe’s team and then Ratliffe’s team. Waithe’s team won, Ratliffe’s got beat.
Waithe looked pretty good. He’s a smoothe big guy. Very long arms and can get his shot off above most people. Good shot too. He’s going to be that other forward we are looking for opposite Powell.
Ratliffe was pretty impressive with the loss. He was double teamed most of the game. He’s a strong guy although only about 6’8″. Kind of like Corliss. He’s strictly inside presence and had to use his strength to get around bigger guys. Had stone hand syndrome at times though in this game. Ran well but couldn’t catch a thing in transition. They mostly lobbed the ball inside to him so he could catch the freakin’ thing.
But still…we need all the inside scoring we can get.
I think a Waithe, Ratliffe, Powell frontcourt would be pretty good and a hard matchup. I can’t see too many 3′s on another team that could handle Waithe or Powell.
No doubt, if we can add Ratcliffe to next year’s class we should contend with all the big boys in the SEC.
I hear NOTHING about the Iowa transfer. Is he still with us. If so that kid has a terrific BB IQ (for what it is worth) and will be a huge upgrade from welsh.
My take is that this team was only a Nick Davis or Derek Hood away from winning 20+ games and taking the West div. Those two guys came mind. Can you imagine having a guy that has a hand on every ball that comes off the rim.
If you look at the coaches under whom PEL came up, as with Louisville and Florida, the Razorbacks are trying to run the many of the same schemes. Tubby Smith essentially does the same thing, utilizing an up tempo offense and defense with a lot of 3 balls.
The problem, in my opinion, is that we currently do not have the right personnel or talent level to pull it off. Kids leaving or getting kicked off the team prematurely and long term suspensions have obviously taken a toll, as well.
Nolan Richardson’s first couple of years were hard to watch and stomach, for many of the same reasons, less the early departures and suspensions – which he did not have to deal with. Fans questioned the “defense” and lack of rebounding on those early teams, until Nolan finally got the right kids to utilize his style of play.
I still support Pelphrey and what he is trying to get accomplished by bringing in quality athletes [and human beings]. He has recruited well, though clearly has had some issues with the character of some of these kids.
In any event, my support for Pelphrey is neither blindly never ending nor indefinite. Some staff changes may be in order, but regardless, the Razorbacks need to clearly show SUSTAINED improvement by next year, culminating in a season with somewhere near 20 wins. I believe they will.
dwp you stole my thunder there a little bit and I totally agree that if we are going to keep pel then he needs to make some staff changes because it’s just not working out! I’m surprised he’s kept the same staff for as long as he has with little to no improvement with the team! The one assisstant I can’t understand and don’t know why he’s still here is Tom Ostrom! That guy has killed us in more ways than one! Last time I checked he is handling our recruiting duties and we all know that is our number one problem because we just don’t have the freaking players we need to be competitive in any major conference including the SEC! I hate the fact that Ostrom tries to play the roll of Assistant Head Coach, he looks more like a grad assisstant to me during timeouts! I don’t know the guy at all but I think Rob Evans will probably retire after this year thanks to pel helping him make that decision! As much success Rob Evans has had over the years he has to be asking himself what is he actually gaining from working with pel? Is this what he came back into coaching for? Pel needs to decide pretty quick if he’s going to take his assistants to the grave with him or is he willing to go out and find a staff who knows how to recruit, teach, coach, and motivate!
If you look at the coaches under whom PEL came up, as with Louisville and Florida, the Razorbacks are trying to run the many of the same schemes. Tubby Smith essentially does the same thing, utilizing an up tempo offense and defense with a lot of 3 balls.
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I haven’t seen any sign of a system or anything remotely close to what Louisville or Florida does!
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Nolan Richardson’s first couple of years were hard to watch and stomach, for many of the same reasons, less the early departures and suspensions – which he did not have to deal with. Fans questioned the “defense” and lack of rebounding on those early teams, until Nolan finally got the right kids to utilize his style of play.
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Nolan came from Tulsa where was a proven coach and he had won at least 19 games every year he was there(and had a confrence record of 63-18). By Nolans 3rd year at Arkansas he had the Hawgs rolling again. And why did he by year 3? Because he had a system and targeted the type of players that fit it(Pel can’t do this because he only talks about an up-tempo press and trap system). Then everyone wants to talk about all the players CJP had to replace after his first year. Instead of CJP getting the players that could fit his supposed “system” he signed 10 players in which only 4 remain with the team. CJP failed in recruiting, coaching, system, motivation and laying a foundation that should already be in place. He is a nice guy tho(thats all anybody can say about him besides wait on the 2011 in-state class please). CJP step down you are killing Razorback Basketball!!!!!
Big Boi who would be the homerun hire that we could pull in?
Pel should get another year of our full support. I still have confidence that he will get it done on a high level. I couldn’t say that two years ago.
Hog fans. Get used to it. Unless Jeff Long makes a move after the Ole Miss game we are going to be saddled with this stuff for next year. And then another 2-5 years depending on what is done and who is brought in to correct matters. With the probable loss of scholarships due to low graduation rates. Well, either we pay some big bucks to take over this loser or face the next five years scrapping the bottom of the basketball world. Time to get behind UALR and ASU.
Who would you throw the HR $$ at?? Mike Anderson is the sure top guy, but after him??? You won’t find too many top shelf proven coaches that will do a back flip for this job. They should, but once Nolan was booted, so was much of our storied history.
Support Pel for another year and decide if 20-22 wins is enough for you to stomach. JMO
Matt,Theirs only a couple of homerun hires(Mike Krzewski, Roy Williams, John Calipari, Bill Self, Tom Izzo)we can’t get tho’s guys but we can get proven winners. Such as Mark Gottfried, Quin Synder, Mike Davis, Rick Stansbury, or Scott Drew maybe at 2 million a year we could go up a level and get a Jamie Dixon, Mike Anderson, Bruce Pearl, Jeff Capel. And if we did have to settle for an up and comer (I don’t think we would) how about Toney Barbee, Mark Turgeon, Frank Martin. All would be HUGE upgrades from CJP.(IMO)
Unless Anderson was a lock, I can’t see why Pel shouldn’t get at least one more year (maybe two). There is a good chance we get the second seed in the SEC tourney (with a win over OM at home). I think that would be pretty swell. We could have a Hot run in the tourney. Lets hope Welsh graduates, I don’t see Washington getting his degree before his eligibility is up.
Boi, Stansbury, Dixon and Anderson are the only coaches I would want. Stansbury would be very doubtful leaving for another SEC job. SNyder, Gottfried, and Davis haven’t proved they are championship coaches.
We would have to really raise the bar (salary) to make that great hire. I don’t think long will go there.
Run the four quarters for 30 seconds, run the back-door-switch-an-go, run the ole time shuttle, but for christ sake run some kind of set play. Every game is a pick-up game under Pelphrey. At least when a set play fails, you can coach some kind of defensive strategy. Most college players are young enough to be taught not only coached. Maybe in a few years Pelphrey will figure that out, but can the Arkansas program afford to give him the time!
Why wouldn’t Stanbury leave for another SEC school??? It’s not like we don’t know anyone who did the same thing!!! (HDN) I don’t think we are looking for proven championship coaches because if we are then yes we would have to raise the bar tremendously and even if we did would a coach leave a good thing to come here? I think not! No matter how much we raise the bar we aren’t getting a Bill Self, Roy Williams, Coach K, Billy Donovan, etc. Those guys are my definition of proven championship coaches! I think we are looking more so for coaches who most people believe have the POTENTIAL to become championship coaches!
heres my problem, i could support Pelphrey for another year, but if next year is the same as this year, he gets fired, and we would have to go through a coaching change at the worst time possible for recruiting those top in-state athletes.
I’m not in favor of firing Pel yet, but if he is let go, I’d like to see them try and get John Brady. LSU was always competitive with him and went to a Final 4. I’m sure he’s itching to get back to a major program and show LSU the mistake they made in letting him go.
Theres a lot of positive candidates out there, they don’t even have to be top tier necessarily to provide our basketball program with new energy, and instantly improve our season next year considering we have the “luck” of playing in an extremely weak SEC West.
An incoming coach could provide excitement around the program next year with minimal improvement and go into 2011 recruiting strong.
Right now the trends that are occurring are going the opposite way, attendance dropping, fans getting disillusioned, the team unraveling at the end of 2 consecutive seasons. How will all these facts not affect recruiting? Are you guys living in some sort of cloud?
I know its heretical as a fan not to expect next year to be the best year ever for whatever program, but I expect next year to be more of the same.
If pel has another bad year next year and we decide to keep him hoping we’ll get the in-state guys then it could give those recruits the impression that the Basketball program at Arkansas isn’t doing everything it can to make it a competitive program! Look guys, it’s not a given that pel can get the in-state guys, yeah we have one committed now but nothing is set in stone until signing day! I understand that the relationship with the in-state guys has been there since pel was hired but you never decide a coches fate in order to get recruits! We’ve already been through that in our football program! Pel and staff already has shown that they aren’t very good recruiters and I don’t think we need to be playing around with this thing hoping that if we keep pel then we’ll get all of the in-state guys. Honestly, if pel did get the in-state guys I don’t think he would get the best out of them anyway. I really don’t, I can tell by the way our guys have been playing here lately and most of the year! Most of the time they seem as if they’ve got something better to do and don’t want to be playing! All you guys in support of pel ask yourselves if pel does get the in-state guys will he be able to do something with them?
Uh, yeah, that’s what I meant oldhog! I was responding to Matt:
“Boi, Stansbury, Dixon and Anderson are the only coaches I would want. Stansbury would be very doubtful leaving for another SEC job. SNyder, Gottfried, and Davis haven’t proved they are championship coaches.
We would have to really raise the bar (salary) to make that great hire. I don’t think long will go there.”
HogenDaz i will agree with boxing out and rebounding, and add to that is something that they should have learned in jr ball i’m handicapped and not on here to argue, just to post my thoughts, and enjoy reading others, seem like kids are not learning the fundimentals in high school
to be ready for the big time, freethrows boxing out and other simple things the should know, just saying they miss alot of wide open shots, maybe this in coming class can add the defence we have been missing. sorry for my spelling, i have to use a on s screen keyboard and do the best i can.
the problem with a young coach like pelphrey is limited networking. being young he has to rely on his own circle of friends like Ostrom and others from his South Alabama staff. He is lucky to have Evans but I do not know if he is using him properly. Malzahn will have the same problem when he steps in a head coaching job. He has very limited cirlce of friend coaches at this time.
SNyder, Gottfried, and Davis haven’t proved they are championship coaches.
By Matt on Mar 4, 2010 @ 11:24am
Matt, Snyder has been to the elite eight and currently is the head coach of the Austin Toros who went to the NBA-DL championship game last year. Mike Davis did go the NCAA championship game in his second season (with mostly Bobby knights players) and then the 2nd round with his players. Mark Gottfried won the 2002 SEC championship took Alabama to 03-04 elite eight and a #1 ranking in 2002 thats pretty good if you ask me.
John Brady is NOT the answer for our problems. I lived in Baton Rouge when Brady “left.” He was fired at LSU because they were terrible. The appeal of the Razorbacks job lost its luster more than 10 years ago, and I doubt we can attract another top-notch coach for awhile. If we could, we would already have one. The low graduation rates are another reason a top-flight coach would think two or three times before coming to Fayetteville. He would have just too many problems to fix right now. Unless Pelphrey can get us headed in the right direction next year, we will be looking at very bad years for quite some time.
Right on Matt. As I said before we have to get lucky and win with what we have before we can attract top talent and even a top coach. A lot of you believe we are a top tier team now but we are not and won’t be for a couple of years at least. Give Pel his five years and see what happens. There is no guarantee that things will be better with another coach at this time.
Everyone is saying next year would be a horrible time to fire our coach. Well look at what we would lose THIS year. Fortson, Clark, Powell, and a couple of incoming 4 stars. We would be at square one if we let him go right now. There is way too much upside with Pel returning than downside. Way more. Other teams are losing a lot more scoring and rebounding than we are, plus if Ratcliff joins this coming class, I would almost just about bet that we will win a total of at least 25-26 games next season. You can throw in the transfer-Peterson, to the mix. Thats my 45 year old opinion.
Matt I agree. We would lose all progress with our 2011 recruits and most likely lose our signed 2010 recruits, and any hopes we have of landing Ratliffe.
It isn’t going to happen.
How many times do people need Long to publicly state this?
Just go over to the other thread Richard posted about Ratliffe coming this weekend, and think about what needs to happen.
Go to the game. Show the program and Ratliffe some love. And watch the 2010 Razorbacks whoop some ass.
I know Blake, but I have run my mouth when I hear all this junk from unhappy fans. I’m sick of losing, but one more year will certainly be a breakout season. That will lead to another “bumper-crop” incoming class, and so on and so on.
Rat, we need ya!
Go Hogs!
The loss of scholarships dilemna is going to be upon us soon. The BB program has been grossly mis-managed and mis-coached. We will have to have improvement out of the current players and have them graduate or we will be in a deeper hole. Obviously this does affect our academic reputation nationally and with recruits. My question is: does it affect the scholarships available in other sports? If it does, then the BB program is pulling us down in everything. From a business point of view it already has, the loss of revenue due to declining attendance and interest means that football has to subsidize BB more in addition to the other sports. Now you see why they are raising football ticket prices. Result: fans may more because if ineptness in the BB program. You do not have to be a MBA or CFO to figure this out.
Ditto, Blake. Agree. Following the Creighton coach’s fiasco, PEL walked into a swarming beehive of issues and has had some rather extenuating circumstances to deal with, since. The simultaneous graduation of six seniors, the untimely loss of Patrick Beverly, early departures and lengthy suspensions. I still think he will build the program in a way we are all wanting it to be built.
This year is almost a wrap and starting next, things will begin to take a turn for the better. If not, then drop the hammer.
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Richard, aren’t you jumping the gun on this considering we don’t play Tennessee for several more years?
let’s see what happens. We’ve lost many games this year that we shouldn’t have lost and we’ve won some games we shouldn’t have won. Let’s just hope for the latter tonight!
Any links to the game. The only way I can listen here in Joplin is get in my truck and go to a hill at MSSU. Campus police give me a suspicous look when I tell them I am listening to a ball game. May become the only man in history to be arrested for listening to a ball game.
this will be ugly… but here’s the hope… after kentucky killed us we won 5 in a row. that’s it, we win 5 in row after tonight, against ole miss sat and 3 in sec tourney to get auto bid to tourney and a 1st round win.
Lol poch punt go to ESPN 360 . com… Hope the UofA police show u some respect! Ark Wins 68 to Tenns 65…! WOOOOOOOPIGSOOOOEEEEEEE!!!!!
yep, this will be ugly.
Tenn wins 85-66.
horrible matchup in size for the starting five:
Arkansas — F Michael Washington (6-9, Sr., 12.3 ppg), PF Marshawn Powell (6-7, Fr., 15.6), G Marcus Britt (6-3, Jr., 3.9), SG Rotnei Clarke (6-0, So., 15.8), PG Courtney Fortson (5-11, So., 18.5)
Tennessee — C Brian Williams (6-10, Jr., 4.8 ppg), F Wayne Chism (6-9, Sr., 12.7), F J.P. Prince (6-7, Sr., 8.7), G Scotty Hopson (6-7, So., 13.0), G Bobby Maze (6-3, Sr., 9.4)
Though I have to disagree, Wally Hall had an interesting column today on Courtney Fortson.
A “guard” seemingly determined to lead the team in [shot] attempts is not a true point guard or floor general. Fortson’s “way” of doing things may have worked at the high school level, but has quickly been diagnosed in the SEC.
In my opinion, “relishing” the role of having all eyes on him while jacking up ill advised 3 after 3 or not dishing the ball to open teammates has another smell to it – like an overdone hotdog.
Pass the mustard.
poch punt, you can listen on the radio online @ http://freebasketballradio.com/tennesseevols.html
It’s a tennessee feed but better than nothing. It’ll keep you out of jail, at least.
Click on the 3rd station down the list: WJZM 1400
is this on tv?
Fortson just shot one of those 3s you were talking about, from about 27 feet.
and Clarke hits the front rim again, like he did about six times last game.
out of 17 points for Tenn, 8 are dunks.
The Pearls are the dictators of Knoxville. Cronyism ftw.
his daughter sings, his son plays on the team.
was tied at 24 but they just hit a three and tennessee is up 3. 27 – 24
brian williams needs to lose some weight and stop grabbing people
ark 31, tenn 30
tenn. 39 ark 36 half
It’s a tennessee feed but better than nothing. It’ll keep you out of jail, at least.
By RazorRandy on Mar 3,
Thanks got it . Not bad getting a little different perspective
Did Fortson get lazy on that layup that Pearl blocked earlier? It sounded like he just took his time on the breakaway from the comments from the tenn announcers.
Obviously that question is for anyone watching the video feed.
hard to see any offensive plays being run in this 2nd half
wow…Clarke is really struggling
yes fortson slowed down on that play, watching on css.
Clarke hits one…maybe he’s going to get fired up
T for Pearl…sweet
wow Tennessee SUPER ANGRY at refs. Pearl Technical foul
freakin’ circus shot goes for Tenn
can see the Razorbacks unraveling before my eyes
Washington about to foul out because only thing he can think of on defense is trying to draw a charge. Nothing new.
True. He might think of contesting a shot every now and then. I mean he is 6’10″ with about a seven footer’s wing span. But oh well.
Marshawn’s got to show up if we have a chance.
Wow, Washington would not know defense if it ran into him. We look wild, no set ofensive plays.
Tenn 59 Ark 48
Wow…I wonder how many TO’s Fortson has. The last two passes inside by him have been horrible.
hey, they played good for a while, i realy thought this would be a blow in the 1st half.
i meant blow out in the 1st half.
Fortson 4 Assists, 5 TO’s.
wow…johnson misses a one footer.
Arkansas has Division Two athletes….let’s face it…these particular players are inferior to Tennessee, Kentucky and other top tier players. PERIOD… why do we even bother?
Guess there is not much poing in asking for the score based on the posts I’m reading. LOL
Vols up 11 on my feed. I may be delayed though
ironically people say its not Pel’s fault because of all the discipline problems. Tennessee may have had any more discipline problems, but you dont see any excuses from Bruce Pearl.
Arkansas just doesnt belong in the SEC East thats clear, we are right where we belong in the SEC West.
73-64 Vols. 3:33
Powell settling for jumpers now
I don’t know just what it is that makes the big time coaches better than the rest, but it just doesn’t look like Pel’s got it to me! He may eventually become a good SEC coach, but I just don’t ever see him being one of the greats! I don’t mean to be derogatory towards him, he’s is a good person, but whatever Nolan and Eddie had it just isn’t showing up in Pel!
fortson had 5 turnovers last i looked
just watching now to see how close i was in my score prediction…
actually 6 assists and 7 turnovers
that’s not going to win any games, don’t care how many points he has
I’m tired of griping, and cussing, and pointing the finger.. I’m giving up and hopeing for a better next year…good bye 2009-10
What’s interesting is that we could theoretically be the 4th seed from the West by the time it’s all done.
Ole Miss will probably be one game up on us after tonight. So if they beat us next game they are the two seed.
Auburn is beating Miss St. right now. If they win they will be ONE game behind us. If we lose to Ole Miss and Auburn beats Bama next game out I think they get us on the tiebreaker for the 3rd seed and we will finish up 4th in the West.
Incredible that it’s even an option.
RReed, i bet it will be the same thing all over again next year … as long as we have this coach and these players.
CJP will be gone next year if he does not turn it around.
Careful Peyton…you will have the apologist’s out in force calling you names and against you before too long…LOL. Been there done that!!
What makes bib time coaches better than the rest is players that can shoot. Welsh, Fortson, Powell and Clarke were all horrible. And some of you keep blaming the coach.
I don’t know just what it is that makes the big time coaches better than the rest, but it just doesn’t look like Pel’s got it to me! He may eventually become a good SEC coach, but I just don’t ever see him being one of the greats! I don’t mean to be derogatory towards him, he’s is a good person, but whatever Nolan and Eddie had it just isn’t showing up in Pel!
By hogfan1509 on Mar 3, 2010 @ 8:07pm
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Amen!
I do blame the coach. those are his players….they CAN shoot. but CJP hasn’t done his necessary duty in improving this team from last year to this year (weak SEC West schedule is the difference in +5 conference wins)
RReed, i bet it will be the same thing all over again next year … as long as we have this coach and these players.
By PeytonHillisFTW on Mar 3, 2010 @ 8:16pm
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Amen, again!
I love the Razorbacks, but I get discouraged when I watch an Arkansas team that doesn’t play defense; doesn’t rebound; doesn’t appear to have any offensive plays other than “Fortson go to the basket”; and has too many inept players with the green light to shoot threes(i.e., Welsh).
Where’s the coaching on this team?
this team lacks coaching not talent IMO. although we do lack somewhat on the size side of things.
Sounds like the bitch from Qland.
Did the Hogs have a rebound edge tonight? they did for most the night. What I am seeing is we don’t have a leader on the floor or a point guard. it is hard to be a great or even good team wo that. hopefully someone on this team emerges in those areas next year. they did compete tonight but the losses are just killin me.
on the defensive side of things we are just too short. literally. and we dont go hard enough.
I still say it is lack of D One talent…we seem to get the ones left over…I hate the Big East teams and the ones always on tv…in fact…as a short guy that didnt play basketball…I dont know why I am even interested …other than the fact that it is the Razorbacks.
Here is hoping that Samuel Harvill gets an offer from Arkansas
Pel needs to be canned
i never seen anyone that could coach a ball in the basket, they get the shots and brick off the front don’t see that being the coach. if you know someone that can, help him get the job.
those shots were being jacked off at the wrong times by the wrong people often. the offense didnt seem to be set up much, with proper rotation, as well as points off of turnovers in transition seemed close to nonexistent.
its tough to use this game as an example of bad coaching though, because Tennessee is supremely better than Arkansas, and you have to give credit to their defensive skills, but the LSU game is a better example, as well as the entire second half of the SEC season. this team regresses for some reason after it climaxes.2 years in a row now.
i never seen anyone that could coach a ball in the basket, they get the shots and brick off the front don’t see that being the coach. if you know someone that can, help him get the job.
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O.k…but have you seen someone coach shot selection? Have you seen someone coach sets and O to get good shot selection?
Have you seen someone coach tempo…coach half court sets…coach perimeter defense…coach high/low post…coach gapping…coach boxing out and rebounding….
Just sayin’
one could even make the argument we are worse this year, considering we have not been able to beat any teams that were the caliber of last year’s Oklahoma and Texas, and when we faced that level of talent this year could not really stay competitive.
I wouldn’t say we are worse, but I will say we are stagnant. I don’t see a third year changing that, especially since we will be an even physically shorter team next year.
Welsh- Washington did not improve from Jr. years and we are paying the price. I have contended all along we just don’t have enough talent esp. from an atheletic point of view. I listened to game on Vol network. Tuned in at half. At that time Tenn 12 fast break pts. Ark 2. It was about same second half. Don’t know much about new recruits. Hope???
poch, not really for this years recruits. marvell waithe is supposed to be the next marshawn powell, but he is only 6’8″.
everybody is pinning their hopes on 2011 recruiting, which means that if Pel misses on getting those in-state athletes, just about everyone will be pissed for keeping him around so long without results…….
except for Quinn ..and Razor Randy
I watched the Waithe kid play a game online. He seems pretty smooth for a big kid but like alot of our guys right now he seemed to want to shoot the 3 too much and settled for jumpshots just about all the time.
The Hogs played better defense tonight than usual. They didn’t go to Knoxville and get blown out like some suggested they would.
We can’t really compare last year’s team to this year’s team because of the high player turnover. Clarke, Fortson, and Washington are the main holdovers, but the rest of last year’s newcomers are not with us this year. The fact that we have to rely on 1st-year players AGAIN is hurting us some this year. No team can consistently get better if it essentially turns over its entire team every year. Now, who’s fault is that? I think the coach has a lot to do with that since he brought in the players that didn’t work out in the first place. That being said, I don’t see any offensive plays except for 4 guys standing still on the perimeter and 1 guy standing still in the post. The best teams have players that move without the ball, and I rarely see that from this team. I, too, think Pelphrey will be a good coach one day, but I’m losing confidence in him very quickly right now.
Yeah Gonz, there was actually some guy on here earlier claiming the only reason he was still watching the game was to see if his ‘blowout’ prediction came true. He apparently was just waiting to gloat about a much worse loss.
I hope he bet a bundle on tennessee, as the line was 11 and he predicted a much worse loss for our Hogs. I believe 7 won the money.
this team is done…first game of the SEC tourney then back to class. Wait til next year…why? I see more of the same. Coaching change now!
At least it did for me. But what do I know.
Yeah, I think I saw that Randy. I guess some folks will do anything for a little attention.
Seems like “The Black Shroud” predicted a 19 point loss.
Just watched regional play of Waithe’s team and then Ratliffe’s team. Waithe’s team won, Ratliffe’s got beat.
Waithe looked pretty good. He’s a smoothe big guy. Very long arms and can get his shot off above most people. Good shot too. He’s going to be that other forward we are looking for opposite Powell.
Ratliffe was pretty impressive with the loss. He was double teamed most of the game. He’s a strong guy although only about 6’8″. Kind of like Corliss. He’s strictly inside presence and had to use his strength to get around bigger guys. Had stone hand syndrome at times though in this game. Ran well but couldn’t catch a thing in transition. They mostly lobbed the ball inside to him so he could catch the freakin’ thing.
But still…we need all the inside scoring we can get.
I think a Waithe, Ratliffe, Powell frontcourt would be pretty good and a hard matchup. I can’t see too many 3′s on another team that could handle Waithe or Powell.
No doubt, if we can add Ratcliffe to next year’s class we should contend with all the big boys in the SEC.
I hear NOTHING about the Iowa transfer. Is he still with us. If so that kid has a terrific BB IQ (for what it is worth) and will be a huge upgrade from welsh.
My take is that this team was only a Nick Davis or Derek Hood away from winning 20+ games and taking the West div. Those two guys came mind. Can you imagine having a guy that has a hand on every ball that comes off the rim.
Matt, I saw the Iowa guy on the bench at the Vanderbilt game.
I think he could be a huge part in next year’s turnaround. Peterson is his name.
If you look at the coaches under whom PEL came up, as with Louisville and Florida, the Razorbacks are trying to run the many of the same schemes. Tubby Smith essentially does the same thing, utilizing an up tempo offense and defense with a lot of 3 balls.
The problem, in my opinion, is that we currently do not have the right personnel or talent level to pull it off. Kids leaving or getting kicked off the team prematurely and long term suspensions have obviously taken a toll, as well.
Nolan Richardson’s first couple of years were hard to watch and stomach, for many of the same reasons, less the early departures and suspensions – which he did not have to deal with. Fans questioned the “defense” and lack of rebounding on those early teams, until Nolan finally got the right kids to utilize his style of play.
I still support Pelphrey and what he is trying to get accomplished by bringing in quality athletes [and human beings]. He has recruited well, though clearly has had some issues with the character of some of these kids.
In any event, my support for Pelphrey is neither blindly never ending nor indefinite. Some staff changes may be in order, but regardless, the Razorbacks need to clearly show SUSTAINED improvement by next year, culminating in a season with somewhere near 20 wins. I believe they will.
dwp you stole my thunder there a little bit and I totally agree that if we are going to keep pel then he needs to make some staff changes because it’s just not working out! I’m surprised he’s kept the same staff for as long as he has with little to no improvement with the team! The one assisstant I can’t understand and don’t know why he’s still here is Tom Ostrom! That guy has killed us in more ways than one! Last time I checked he is handling our recruiting duties and we all know that is our number one problem because we just don’t have the freaking players we need to be competitive in any major conference including the SEC! I hate the fact that Ostrom tries to play the roll of Assistant Head Coach, he looks more like a grad assisstant to me during timeouts! I don’t know the guy at all but I think Rob Evans will probably retire after this year thanks to pel helping him make that decision! As much success Rob Evans has had over the years he has to be asking himself what is he actually gaining from working with pel? Is this what he came back into coaching for? Pel needs to decide pretty quick if he’s going to take his assistants to the grave with him or is he willing to go out and find a staff who knows how to recruit, teach, coach, and motivate!
If you look at the coaches under whom PEL came up, as with Louisville and Florida, the Razorbacks are trying to run the many of the same schemes. Tubby Smith essentially does the same thing, utilizing an up tempo offense and defense with a lot of 3 balls.
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I haven’t seen any sign of a system or anything remotely close to what Louisville or Florida does!
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Nolan Richardson’s first couple of years were hard to watch and stomach, for many of the same reasons, less the early departures and suspensions – which he did not have to deal with. Fans questioned the “defense” and lack of rebounding on those early teams, until Nolan finally got the right kids to utilize his style of play.
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Nolan came from Tulsa where was a proven coach and he had won at least 19 games every year he was there(and had a confrence record of 63-18). By Nolans 3rd year at Arkansas he had the Hawgs rolling again. And why did he by year 3? Because he had a system and targeted the type of players that fit it(Pel can’t do this because he only talks about an up-tempo press and trap system). Then everyone wants to talk about all the players CJP had to replace after his first year. Instead of CJP getting the players that could fit his supposed “system” he signed 10 players in which only 4 remain with the team. CJP failed in recruiting, coaching, system, motivation and laying a foundation that should already be in place. He is a nice guy tho(thats all anybody can say about him besides wait on the 2011 in-state class please). CJP step down you are killing Razorback Basketball!!!!!
Big Boi who would be the homerun hire that we could pull in?
Pel should get another year of our full support. I still have confidence that he will get it done on a high level. I couldn’t say that two years ago.
Hog fans. Get used to it. Unless Jeff Long makes a move after the Ole Miss game we are going to be saddled with this stuff for next year. And then another 2-5 years depending on what is done and who is brought in to correct matters. With the probable loss of scholarships due to low graduation rates. Well, either we pay some big bucks to take over this loser or face the next five years scrapping the bottom of the basketball world. Time to get behind UALR and ASU.
CJP step down you are killing Razorback Basketball!!!!!
By Big Boi on Mar 4, 2010 @ 10:34am
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Our only hope for the future of the team we love.
Who would you throw the HR $$ at?? Mike Anderson is the sure top guy, but after him??? You won’t find too many top shelf proven coaches that will do a back flip for this job. They should, but once Nolan was booted, so was much of our storied history.
Support Pel for another year and decide if 20-22 wins is enough for you to stomach. JMO
Matt,Theirs only a couple of homerun hires(Mike Krzewski, Roy Williams, John Calipari, Bill Self, Tom Izzo)we can’t get tho’s guys but we can get proven winners. Such as Mark Gottfried, Quin Synder, Mike Davis, Rick Stansbury, or Scott Drew maybe at 2 million a year we could go up a level and get a Jamie Dixon, Mike Anderson, Bruce Pearl, Jeff Capel. And if we did have to settle for an up and comer (I don’t think we would) how about Toney Barbee, Mark Turgeon, Frank Martin. All would be HUGE upgrades from CJP.(IMO)
Unless Anderson was a lock, I can’t see why Pel shouldn’t get at least one more year (maybe two). There is a good chance we get the second seed in the SEC tourney (with a win over OM at home). I think that would be pretty swell. We could have a Hot run in the tourney. Lets hope Welsh graduates, I don’t see Washington getting his degree before his eligibility is up.
Boi, Stansbury, Dixon and Anderson are the only coaches I would want. Stansbury would be very doubtful leaving for another SEC job. SNyder, Gottfried, and Davis haven’t proved they are championship coaches.
We would have to really raise the bar (salary) to make that great hire. I don’t think long will go there.
I agree with you Big Boi! Those are all very good candidates you mentioned! Now all we do is sit and watch it all unfold!
Run the four quarters for 30 seconds, run the back-door-switch-an-go, run the ole time shuttle, but for christ sake run some kind of set play. Every game is a pick-up game under Pelphrey. At least when a set play fails, you can coach some kind of defensive strategy. Most college players are young enough to be taught not only coached. Maybe in a few years Pelphrey will figure that out, but can the Arkansas program afford to give him the time!
I believe to.
Why wouldn’t Stanbury leave for another SEC school??? It’s not like we don’t know anyone who did the same thing!!! (HDN) I don’t think we are looking for proven championship coaches because if we are then yes we would have to raise the bar tremendously and even if we did would a coach leave a good thing to come here? I think not! No matter how much we raise the bar we aren’t getting a Bill Self, Roy Williams, Coach K, Billy Donovan, etc. Those guys are my definition of proven championship coaches! I think we are looking more so for coaches who most people believe have the POTENTIAL to become championship coaches!
heres my problem, i could support Pelphrey for another year, but if next year is the same as this year, he gets fired, and we would have to go through a coaching change at the worst time possible for recruiting those top in-state athletes.
I’m not in favor of firing Pel yet, but if he is let go, I’d like to see them try and get John Brady. LSU was always competitive with him and went to a Final 4. I’m sure he’s itching to get back to a major program and show LSU the mistake they made in letting him go.
Theres a lot of positive candidates out there, they don’t even have to be top tier necessarily to provide our basketball program with new energy, and instantly improve our season next year considering we have the “luck” of playing in an extremely weak SEC West.
An incoming coach could provide excitement around the program next year with minimal improvement and go into 2011 recruiting strong.
Right now the trends that are occurring are going the opposite way, attendance dropping, fans getting disillusioned, the team unraveling at the end of 2 consecutive seasons. How will all these facts not affect recruiting? Are you guys living in some sort of cloud?
I know its heretical as a fan not to expect next year to be the best year ever for whatever program, but I expect next year to be more of the same.
If pel has another bad year next year and we decide to keep him hoping we’ll get the in-state guys then it could give those recruits the impression that the Basketball program at Arkansas isn’t doing everything it can to make it a competitive program! Look guys, it’s not a given that pel can get the in-state guys, yeah we have one committed now but nothing is set in stone until signing day! I understand that the relationship with the in-state guys has been there since pel was hired but you never decide a coches fate in order to get recruits! We’ve already been through that in our football program! Pel and staff already has shown that they aren’t very good recruiters and I don’t think we need to be playing around with this thing hoping that if we keep pel then we’ll get all of the in-state guys. Honestly, if pel did get the in-state guys I don’t think he would get the best out of them anyway. I really don’t, I can tell by the way our guys have been playing here lately and most of the year! Most of the time they seem as if they’ve got something better to do and don’t want to be playing! All you guys in support of pel ask yourselves if pel does get the in-state guys will he be able to do something with them?
Bill Self, Roy Williams, Coach K, Billy Donovan, etc. Those guys are my definition of proven championship coaches!
By mudhog on Mar 4, 2010 @ 11:34am
I THINK THEIR RESUME SAYS THAT SINCE THEY ALL HAVE WON A CHAMPIONSHIP!
Did the hogs sign the 7 footer from Memphis last year?Did he have to go to juco?Borden may have been his name.
Uh, yeah, that’s what I meant oldhog! I was responding to Matt:
“Boi, Stansbury, Dixon and Anderson are the only coaches I would want. Stansbury would be very doubtful leaving for another SEC job. SNyder, Gottfried, and Davis haven’t proved they are championship coaches.
We would have to really raise the bar (salary) to make that great hire. I don’t think long will go there.”
HogenDaz i will agree with boxing out and rebounding, and add to that is something that they should have learned in jr ball i’m handicapped and not on here to argue, just to post my thoughts, and enjoy reading others, seem like kids are not learning the fundimentals in high school
to be ready for the big time, freethrows boxing out and other simple things the should know, just saying they miss alot of wide open shots, maybe this in coming class can add the defence we have been missing. sorry for my spelling, i have to use a on s screen keyboard and do the best i can.
the problem with a young coach like pelphrey is limited networking. being young he has to rely on his own circle of friends like Ostrom and others from his South Alabama staff. He is lucky to have Evans but I do not know if he is using him properly. Malzahn will have the same problem when he steps in a head coaching job. He has very limited cirlce of friend coaches at this time.
SNyder, Gottfried, and Davis haven’t proved they are championship coaches.
By Matt on Mar 4, 2010 @ 11:24am
Matt, Snyder has been to the elite eight and currently is the head coach of the Austin Toros who went to the NBA-DL championship game last year. Mike Davis did go the NCAA championship game in his second season (with mostly Bobby knights players) and then the 2nd round with his players. Mark Gottfried won the 2002 SEC championship took Alabama to 03-04 elite eight and a #1 ranking in 2002 thats pretty good if you ask me.
John Brady is NOT the answer for our problems. I lived in Baton Rouge when Brady “left.” He was fired at LSU because they were terrible. The appeal of the Razorbacks job lost its luster more than 10 years ago, and I doubt we can attract another top-notch coach for awhile. If we could, we would already have one. The low graduation rates are another reason a top-flight coach would think two or three times before coming to Fayetteville. He would have just too many problems to fix right now. Unless Pelphrey can get us headed in the right direction next year, we will be looking at very bad years for quite some time.
Do you think Roy Williams will be looking for another job next year?? hint, hint
Right on Matt. As I said before we have to get lucky and win with what we have before we can attract top talent and even a top coach. A lot of you believe we are a top tier team now but we are not and won’t be for a couple of years at least. Give Pel his five years and see what happens. There is no guarantee that things will be better with another coach at this time.
Everyone is saying next year would be a horrible time to fire our coach. Well look at what we would lose THIS year. Fortson, Clark, Powell, and a couple of incoming 4 stars. We would be at square one if we let him go right now. There is way too much upside with Pel returning than downside. Way more. Other teams are losing a lot more scoring and rebounding than we are, plus if Ratcliff joins this coming class, I would almost just about bet that we will win a total of at least 25-26 games next season. You can throw in the transfer-Peterson, to the mix. Thats my 45 year old opinion.
Matt I agree. We would lose all progress with our 2011 recruits and most likely lose our signed 2010 recruits, and any hopes we have of landing Ratliffe.
It isn’t going to happen.
How many times do people need Long to publicly state this?
Just go over to the other thread Richard posted about Ratliffe coming this weekend, and think about what needs to happen.
Go to the game. Show the program and Ratliffe some love. And watch the 2010 Razorbacks whoop some ass.
Long Supports Pelphrey
http://arkansasnews.com/2009/11/30/long-stands-by-pelphrey/
http://hogblog.nwaonline.net/tag/jeff-long/
http://www.helena-arkansas.com/sports/x745467131/Long-discusses-Pelphrey-at-Springdale-Tip-off-Club
There are 100s more saying the same thing.
Oh and the Chancellor supports Pel too.
http://blog.taragana.com/law/2009/09/11/chancellor-backs-arkansas-coach-pelphrey-following-investigation-into-alleged-rape-12272/
I know Blake, but I have run my mouth when I hear all this junk from unhappy fans. I’m sick of losing, but one more year will certainly be a breakout season. That will lead to another “bumper-crop” incoming class, and so on and so on.
Rat, we need ya!
Go Hogs!
The loss of scholarships dilemna is going to be upon us soon. The BB program has been grossly mis-managed and mis-coached. We will have to have improvement out of the current players and have them graduate or we will be in a deeper hole. Obviously this does affect our academic reputation nationally and with recruits. My question is: does it affect the scholarships available in other sports? If it does, then the BB program is pulling us down in everything. From a business point of view it already has, the loss of revenue due to declining attendance and interest means that football has to subsidize BB more in addition to the other sports. Now you see why they are raising football ticket prices. Result: fans may more because if ineptness in the BB program. You do not have to be a MBA or CFO to figure this out.
Blake those stories were from last year, before the current embarassing skid.
Actually two of those are from Jan. 2010.
and others are from Oct and Nov.
I also could find many from Dec.
There has not been a month that has gone by where Long has not said Pel is going nowhere.
It isn’t happening. People just need to jump on the recruiting boat, and hope we land Ratliffe and support the program so we can land the 2011 stars.
Ditto, Blake. Agree. Following the Creighton coach’s fiasco, PEL walked into a swarming beehive of issues and has had some rather extenuating circumstances to deal with, since. The simultaneous graduation of six seniors, the untimely loss of Patrick Beverly, early departures and lengthy suspensions. I still think he will build the program in a way we are all wanting it to be built.
This year is almost a wrap and starting next, things will begin to take a turn for the better. If not, then drop the hammer.